Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[RaceBoarder]

Troll level: EXPERT!

**golf clap**

 

[French Rage]

Every vein on every Neanderthal's neck just rage-popped. Now that is how you troll the knucks.

And meanwhile, sane people actually support it pretty strongly: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1436133511316979719

 

[Handyman]

Amazing how those match up with Trumps approval ratings...

Speaking of Biden's are back on the rise now that everyone stopped pretending to care about Afghanistan.

 

[Kepler]

And meanwhile, sane people actually support it pretty strongly: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1436133511316979719

Those are very good numbers. Basically, there are 30% of people who are insane and we should simply ignore them.

I think the general public has started to wrap their minds around that, now. The first reaction, when Dump was elected, was shock and fear. But after the last 4.5 years people have gotten over that and have come to grips with the fact that about a third of the country are unfit for adult responsibilities.

 

[rufus]

Thing is, if Dump had been re-elected, all of these anti-vaxxers, vaccine hesitant, conspiracy theorists would be getting vaccinated in droves, and bragging on social media about the miracle cure that their orange savior had created single-handedly just for them.

I can't remember where I saw it so I can't quote the exact thing, but some high level GOP pundit or strategist said the reason why all those GOP congresspeople were pushing this anti vaccine conspiracy shit was just to make Biden look bad, as the virus continued to wreak havoc on the country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Thing is, if Dump had been re-elected, all of these anti-vaxxers, vaccine hesitant, conspiracy theorists would be getting vaccinated in droves, and bragging on social media about the miracle cure that their orange savior had created single-handedly just for them.

I can't remember where I saw it so I can't quote the exact thing, but some high level GOP pundit or strategist said the reason why all those GOP congresspeople were pushing this anti vaccine conspiracy **** was just to make Biden look bad, as the virus continued to wreak havoc on the country.

I doubt it. I don't think these people would have gotten vaccinated regardless.

 

[MichVandal]

Thing is, if Dump had been re-elected, all of these anti-vaxxers, vaccine hesitant, conspiracy theorists would be getting vaccinated in droves, and bragging on social media about the miracle cure that their orange savior had created single-handedly just for them.

I can't remember where I saw it so I can't quote the exact thing, but some high level GOP pundit or strategist said the reason why all those GOP congresspeople were pushing this anti vaccine conspiracy **** was just to make Biden look bad, as the virus continued to wreak havoc on the country.

Yup- remember how dumpy was claiming credit for the vaccine, even though he did nothing other than let it happen. Vaccinations didn't start until he lost, and by then, the issue became so incredibly political that it's not funny.

For your second part, it would be fun to expose those antivaxor congresspeople and point out that they were vaccinated in the very first, early round because. I never expected them to raise the bar on hypocrisy, but they very much did. And they still have not noticed that the people dying are their own voters. Or they did, and just don't care about their lives compared to owning the libs.

 

[rufus]

I doubt it. I don't think these people would have gotten vaccinated regardless.

Oh yeah they would have, after months of listening to their orange savior bragging about his big, beautiful vaccine. The one he created, all by himself. Because he loves them so much.

 

[Kepler]

How the turn tables:

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Oh yeah they would have, after months of listening to their orange savior bragging about his big, beautiful vaccine. The one he created, all by himself. Because he loves them so much.

I don't buy it. The whole time he was "developing" the vaccine he was undermining the vaccine. I doubt he ever would have went into brag mode about it and thus they never would have gotten it.

 

[MichVandal]

How the turn tables:

Just the other day, there was a local interview on the subject of vaccines being a requirement, and the antivaxor woman basically said that she could find a job anywhere. So good luck with that.

 

[rufus]

I don't buy it. The whole time he was "developing" the vaccine he was undermining the vaccine. I doubt he ever would have went into brag mode about it and thus they never would have gotten it.

He was undermining Covid. I don't think he said a bad word about the vaccine. he was pushing to get it approved before the election, so he could use that in his campaign "See, I delivered this miracle to you in record time. I, alone."

Was he also pushing quack cures and such? Sure, but not saying, take this, don't do the vaccine.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Those are very good numbers. Basically, there are 30% of people who are insane and we should simply ignore them.

I think the general public has started to wrap their minds around that, now. The first reaction, when Dump was elected, was shock and fear. But after the last 4.5 years people have gotten over that and have come to grips with the fact that about a third of the country are unfit for adult responsibilities.

No don't ignore them, you kick them out of society. That's how the contract works.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

I have to agree with Scooby. They've been downplaying COVID since the beginning saying it's "just the flu," and these are the same people that won't get the flu shot every year. Some of my more derpy co-workers were already bragging about how they weren't going to get it in July. To them, vaccines are for serious diseases like polio and smallpox, not "the flu."

I will also give Trump a little credit for Operation Warp Speed (But most to the scientists and researchers around the world who did the work). While I think a President Clinton would have done the same thing, Trump was in office.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I like how the Biden admin is going about this with a multilevel attack.

1. Federal contracts tied to falling in line - this will work very well
2. Tying Medicare and Medicaid funds to hospitals and LTCFs - GOOD!!!!
3. OSHA
4. Giving cover to corporations to mandate - takes political heat off companies and diverts it to the Feds. This is good and it will work. It did with mask mandates very early on.

If one fails, there are contingencies. They just need to have the lawyers to fight this multifront battle in the courts. This is a very well thought out plan.

It will be interesting to see how the courts decide on the emergency standard from OSHA. I'm also curious if this will fall under the general duty clause. I have to imagine a lot of labor experts and labor attorneys are working on this and will have a fairly good basis to defend it on. I saw Rick Ungar had pointed out that by allowing employees to be tested instead of vaccinated may be what saves this plan in court. It provides an alternate and reasonable accommodation (which unofan has mentioned on here before). No matter the actual basis and strength of defense, it's still going to be a roll of the dice if the righties on the SCOTUS actually believe in promoting the general welfare of the united states of america.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I have to agree with Scooby. They've been downplaying COVID since the beginning saying it's "just the flu," and these are the same people that won't get the flu shot every year. Some of my more derpy co-workers were already bragging about how they weren't going to get it in July. To them, vaccines are for serious diseases like polio and smallpox, not "the flu."

I will also give Trump a little credit for Operation Warp Speed (But most to the scientists and researchers around the world who did the work). While I think a President Clinton would have done the same thing, Trump was in office.

Yeah, the biggest question is going to be how to handle the "I got covid, I don't need a shot" group. They might have decent immunity and it could be better than the shot, we have no fuckin clue because the science isn't settled. Either way, we do know that getting covid and then getting a shot provides some pretty rock solid numbers in the lab.

 

[RaceBoarder]

I like how the Biden admin is going about this with a multilevel attack.

1. Federal contracts tied to falling in line - this will work very well
2. Tying Medicare and Medicaid funds to hospitals and LTCFs - GOOD!!!!
3. OSHA
4. Giving cover to corporations to mandate - takes political heat off companies and diverts it to the Feds. This is good and it will work. It did with mask mandates very early on.

If one fails, there are contingencies. They just need to have the lawyers to fight this multifront battle in the courts. This is a very well thought out plan.

It will be interesting to see how the courts decide on the emergency standard from OSHA. I'm also curious if this will fall under the general duty clause. I have to imagine a lot of labor experts and labor attorneys are working on this and will have a fairly good basis to defend it on. I saw Rick Ungar had pointed out that by allowing employees to be tested instead of vaccinated may be what saves this plan in court. It provides an alternate and reasonable accommodation (which unofan has mentioned on here before). No matter the actual basis and strength of defense, it's still going to be a roll of the dice if the righties on the SCOTUS actually believe in promoting the general welfare of the united states of america.

Something I haven't seen mentioned with this is when we will see this go into effect. Are we talking around the New Year? Before? Q2 of 2022?

Obviously the switch won't flip on Monday, but how much time does this need to be fully drafted and implemented?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

I like how the Biden admin is going about this with a multilevel attack.

1. Federal contracts tied to falling in line - this will work very well
2. Tying Medicare and Medicaid funds to hospitals and LTCFs - GOOD!!!!
3. OSHA
4. Giving cover to corporations to mandate - takes political heat off companies and diverts it to the Feds. This is good and it will work. It did with mask mandates very early on.

If one fails, there are contingencies. They just need to have the lawyers to fight this multifront battle in the courts. This is a very well thought out plan.

It will be interesting to see how the courts decide on the emergency standard from OSHA. I'm also curious if this will fall under the general duty clause. I have to imagine a lot of labor experts and labor attorneys are working on this and will have a fairly good basis to defend it on. I saw Rick Ungar had pointed out that by allowing employees to be tested instead of vaccinated may be what saves this plan in court. It provides an alternate and reasonable accommodation (which unofan has mentioned on here before). No matter the actual basis and strength of defense, it's still going to be a roll of the dice if the righties on the SCOTUS actually believe in promoting the general welfare of the united states of america.

I think of it like this. The federal government is requiring businesses test their employees once a week for COVID, and are exempting people who are vaccinated, just like they require my employer to give me drug and alcohol tests randomly, in the interests of public safety. The only difference is there are no exemptions in the drug/alcohol testing.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Yeah, the biggest question is going to be how to handle the "I got covid, I don't need a shot" group. They might have decent immunity and it could be better than the shot, we have no fuckin clue because the science isn't settled. Either way, we do know that getting covid and then getting a shot provides some pretty rock solid numbers in the lab.

With that, they get 90 days from their negative test or return to work date. That's the window for them to get the shot.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Nice! My employer is mandating vaccines. That means... IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!ronpaul.gif!!!!!! Oh, and there is no testing alternative. You get the vaccine or have an exemption.

It's lame they're allowing religious exemptions though. I'm wondering how that will be reviewed. Maybe get a letter from your pastor or whatever. I don't know.

Either way, if my company is requiring it, then this will be very large wave. Too bad they've all been cowards waiting for someone else to take the political blame instead of doing the right thing first. But whatever, I'm happy(er).




Edit: Interesting. The federal contracts issue is what's driving the "testing is not an alternative". THat has some pretty big teeth. WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oh, and all of our contractors will be required to be vaccinated as well.