Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[psych]

So, question, is shot #3 going to help reduce the transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to someone else? I read somewhere that there is little difference in hospitalization rates between someone with two doses versus someone with three doses. If that’s the case, is the only thing the third shot is doing is preventing people from getting a mild or moderate (read: no hospitalization required) form of covid?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Saint Cloud schools requiring masks for all

 

[dxmnkd316]

So, question, is shot #3 going to help reduce the transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to someone else? I read somewhere that there is little difference in hospitalization rates between someone with two doses versus someone with three doses. If that’s the case, is the only thing the third shot is doing is preventing people from getting a mild or moderate (read: no hospitalization required) form of covid?

Peter Hotez in an interview today said yes. The antibodies are found everywhere in your body not just the blood. So it helps stop the virus from replicating in areas like the nose. Which I found super interesting.

I think it was on Dan Abrams show for SiriusXM subscribers

 

[jerphisch]

Peter Hotez in an interview today said yes. The antibodies are found everywhere in your body not just the blood. So it helps stop the virus from replicating in areas like the nose. Which I found super interesting.

I think it was on Dan Abrams show for SiriusXM subscribers

Yeah that is my understanding. That over time the antibodies fade and you are then reliant on memory B and T cells which are slower to react. That was fine up until delta, but the viral load from delta is too great to wait for the memory cells to start an immune response. Having active antibodies from the getting the shot recently has you better prepared.

 

[Jeb2020]

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Paracrine Senescence and Leukocyte Adhesion in Endothelial Cells

 

[J.D.]

I assume the parents volunteer them.

Way back, my uncle was in the polio vaccine study when he was a child. He hated shots. My grandmother always told us she was hoping he got the real shot, because she didn’t want to tell him he needed another shot.

it turned out, he got the real shot.

Parents volunteering their children for vaccine trials is just interesting to me. I didn't know if there was a monetary incentive involved like some kind of trust for that kid down the line. Don't get me wrong, I will get my kids vaccinated when it's good to go but I don't think I would volunteer them for a vaccine trial.

 

[rufus]

Parents volunteering their children for vaccine trials is just interesting to me. I didn't know if there was a monetary incentive involved like some kind of trust for that kid down the line. Don't get me wrong, I will get my kids vaccinated when it's good to go but I don't think I would volunteer them for a vaccine trial.

But you'll gladly volunteer them to go to school with no mask.

 

[J.D.]

But you'll gladly volunteer them to go to school with no mask.

You're a miserable douchebag.

 

[MichVandal]

You're a miserable douchebag.

But in the end, that is the grand experiment. Do you accept an experiment to prevent your child from getting sick, or do you take the chance of them getting sick? I'd wager that the Delta variant has changed how parents look at that balance equation.

Ignore the "attack" on you, and looking at the big picture- this is honestly a balance between risks, for all of us. So far, the adult data shows that the effectiveness is far better than w/o, assuming the hospital data is accurate. And noting the increase in younger people getting sick, it appears that the same balance will apply to kids.

Now if the 3rd dose reduces the ability to spread the virus, that's really good news. We have to remember the goal of the vaccine was to reduce the need for hospitalization and death. It was never going to be perfect, but considerably higher than w/o. If a 3rd then prevents others from getting infected by a person, that will help the doubters quite a bit- without them actually having to get a vaccine.

That being said- what would be better- the US getting a 3rd dose, or country X getting their first 2? I would suggest the latter.

 

[rufus]

You're a miserable douchebag.

Oooh, you showed me.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[BassAle]

Parents volunteering their children for vaccine trials is just interesting to me. I didn't know if there was a monetary incentive involved like some kind of trust for that kid down the line. Don't get me wrong, I will get my kids vaccinated when it's good to go but I don't think I would volunteer them for a vaccine trial.

The vaccine has already been tested in animals and adults for safety and efficacy, now they're testing for efficacy/dosage in kids. The parents signing their kids up for the study know it is relatively low risk, that their kid may get a beneficial vaccine far before it is available to the general public, and they know that they are doing something to help humanity as a whole (this last point is apparently a foreign concept to some).

 

[BassAle]

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Induces Paracrine Senescence and Leukocyte Adhesion in Endothelial Cells

you said it was just a cold, right?

btw

A nonreplicable form of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is used in the vaccines for immunization. Therefore, viral spike protein expression and duration of antigenic stimulation to the immune system in the injected tissue (although expected for a brief period) may not be sufficient to exhibit significant senescence or deleterious effect to adjacent endothelial cells.

sounds like getting vaccinated would be preferable to catching the Trump cold

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I should not have to post this but we have a facebook moron here spreading lies.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/s...ike-protein-is-safe-contrary-to-viral-claims/

All of the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved in the United States are designed to instruct human cells to make harmless spike proteins — mimicking a viral protein that’s used by the SARS-CoV-2 virus to enter cells. When the immune system recognizes the proteins, which aren’t normally there, it starts generating antibodies and building an immune response against them. The process prepares the body against future infection.

These vaccines have been found to be effective and safe in clinical trials with tens of thousands of participants, and in real world conditions with over 325 million doses administered.

 

[SJHovey]

There is a pretty good documentary that premiered on HBO last night called In the Same Breath by a woman born and raised in China, but who now lives in the U.S. She was in Wuhan at the beginning of the pandemic and has a lot of film footage, some taken surreptitiously, in hospitals, funeral homes, etc...

Sort of the money shot of the movie is when a Chinese citizen critical of the government's response there says that tens of thousands of Chinese died because they don't have any freedom in China, particularly freedom of speech, and that if such freedoms had existed, all of those people wouldn't have died. The filmmaker than juxtaposes that with the U.S. demonstrations by people proclaiming their freedom, and the idea that expression of that freedom has probably resulted in the losses of tens of thousands of lives here.

Worth a look.

 

[RaceBoarder]

There is a pretty good documentary that premiered on HBO last night called In the Same Breath by a woman born and raised in China, but who now lives in the U.S. She was in Wuhan at the beginning of the pandemic and has a lot of film footage, some taken surreptitiously, in hospitals, funeral homes, etc...

Sort of the money shot of the movie is when a Chinese citizen critical of the government's response there says that tens of thousands of Chinese died because they don't have any freedom in China, particularly freedom of speech, and that if such freedoms had existed, all of those people wouldn't have died. The filmmaker than juxtaposes that with the U.S. demonstrations by people proclaiming their freedom, and the idea that expression of that freedom has probably resulted in the losses of tens of thousands of lives here.

Worth a look.

Actual freedom and perceived "freedumbs" are two very different things, with the latter being the cause of the plague currently ripping through the south. I agree with your point, but I put the latter closer to anarchy than I do to being "free".

Think back to Will McAvoy's famous rant from the pilot of THE NEWSROOM. He lists a bunch of countries that have "freedom" and specifically notes that it's not exclusive to the US.

 

[J.D.]

The vaccine has already been tested in animals and adults for safety and efficacy, now they're testing for efficacy/dosage in kids. The parents signing their kids up for the study know it is relatively low risk, that their kid may get a beneficial vaccine far before it is available to the general public, and they know that they are doing something to help humanity as a whole (this last point is apparently a foreign concept to some).

If that last part was directed at me, I don't think being hesitant to volunteer your child for a vaccine trial means you are somehow against helping humanity.

 

[MichVandal]

I should not have to post this but we have a facebook moron here spreading lies.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/s...ike-protein-is-safe-contrary-to-viral-claims/

So jebbers is trying to make people afraid of the virus because of a specific reaction that's actually part of why the vaccine works in the first place?

Go figure.

Pick and choose all you want, but like the problem with the data a year ago, vaccine data overwhelmingly shows that it's effective.

Feel free to not take it, but it's funny that the spreaders of bad ideas can't see that the anti-vaxxors are the ones using up hospital resources and dying in a far, far higher percentage than ones that are vaccinated. Data is data.

 

[MichVandal]

There is a pretty good documentary that premiered on HBO last night called In the Same Breath by a woman born and raised in China, but who now lives in the U.S. She was in Wuhan at the beginning of the pandemic and has a lot of film footage, some taken surreptitiously, in hospitals, funeral homes, etc...

Sort of the money shot of the movie is when a Chinese citizen critical of the government's response there says that tens of thousands of Chinese died because they don't have any freedom in China, particularly freedom of speech, and that if such freedoms had existed, all of those people wouldn't have died. The filmmaker than juxtaposes that with the U.S. demonstrations by people proclaiming their freedom, and the idea that expression of that freedom has probably resulted in the losses of tens of thousands of lives here.

Worth a look.

One side is the freedom of speech to tell the truth, the other is the freedom of speech to not.

 

[Swansong]

Ignore the troll. Would we bother to respond to a flat earther beyond mockery?

 

[psych]

But in the end, that is the grand experiment. Do you accept an experiment to prevent your child from getting sick, or do you take the chance of them getting sick? I'd wager that the Delta variant has changed how parents look at that balance equation.

Ignore the "attack" on you, and looking at the big picture- this is honestly a balance between risks, for all of us. So far, the adult data shows that the effectiveness is far better than w/o, assuming the hospital data is accurate. And noting the increase in younger people getting sick, it appears that the same balance will apply to kids.

Now if the 3rd dose reduces the ability to spread the virus, that's really good news. We have to remember the goal of the vaccine was to reduce the need for hospitalization and death. It was never going to be perfect, but considerably higher than w/o. If a 3rd then prevents others from getting infected by a person, that will help the doubters quite a bit- without them actually having to get a vaccine.

That being said- what would be better- the US getting a 3rd dose, or country X getting their first 2? I would suggest the latter.

Your last paragraph was my thought process. I don’t want to get sick, but if the first two doses prevent me from going to the hospital, I’m okay with that. Now, if the third dose significantly lowers the chances of me transmitting it to my unvaccinated children, yes, I’ll take it.