US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

[Handyman]

Calling up reserves

https://twitter.com/idreesali114/sta...PNlRghkc1ePR-Q

man losing his mind

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1...PNlRghkc1ePR-Q

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/statu...58745942786048

BREAKING Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russian men aged 18 to 65

Sounds like quite a few got out before the order was put in place.


https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1572571366234423296

#Update: Just in - #Russia[n civilians on social media are sharing widely that they are leaving the country by plane, bus, car, and other means of transport, even by foot by the borders to the #EU, after #Putin announced he will send 300.000 new troops to #Ukraine.

edit: the border video was not from today but it does sound like the border is a mess. I took down that tweet. Also Europe is moving fast to block Russian Men from entering their countries. Baltics way ahead on that one.

 

[LynahFan]

Hmmmm. Shouldn’t Europe be encouraging Russian men to flee?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I would think that hundreds of thousands of pissed off conscripts stuck in Russia would potentially be a big problem for Putin. We've already heard about what many of the companies of convicts have supposedly done. Granted, they had nothing to lose and being POWs of Ukraine is preferable to Russian prison.

 

[Handyman]

Hmmmm. Shouldn’t Europe be encouraging Russian men to flee?

Uh no. Can you imagine what that many Russian immigrants entering at once would do? It would be chaos. Why should Europe reward them for turning a blind eye until it was too late?

You force them to stay and make Putin deal with the fallout.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Uh no. Can you imagine what that many Russian immigrants entering at once would do? It would be chaos. Why should Europe reward them for turning a blind eye until it was too late?

You force them to stay and make Putin deal with the fallout.

Agreed...

By blocking the Russians from coming in, they put the "Enemy of your enemy" at Pooty's doorstep.

 

[Kepler]

"Do not treat humans as means to an end but as ends in themselves."

Let everyone in.

 

[Handyman]

Easy for you to say, they aren't coming here. They aren't fleeing because of oppression they are fleeing because they don't want to serve. They were perfectly ok with murdering Ukrainians when it was just on TV and they could pretend it wasn't real. They made their bed...

 

[Kepler]

Easy for you to say, they aren't coming here. They aren't fleeing because of oppression they are fleeing because they don't want to serve. They were perfectly ok with murdering Ukrainians when it was just on TV and they could pretend it wasn't real. They made their bed...

You have no idea whether these aren't dissidents.

 

[Handyman]

You have no idea whether these aren't dissidents.

The dissidents aren't leaving they are the ones being arrested in the streets. These are the average Russians who are just like average Americans, totally blind until it effects them. They don't want to be conscripted so they are fleeing. If that speech doesn't happen they would be perfectly fine just watching State TV and pretending none of it was real. (like they have been since Day 1)

Even if you grant that some of them are dissidents these people could have left at any time, everyone leaving at once would cause massive chaos to Europe. It would be a logistical nightmare across multiple borders.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Easy for you to say, they aren't coming here. They aren't fleeing because of oppression they are fleeing because they don't want to serve. They were perfectly ok with murdering Ukrainians when it was just on TV and they could pretend it wasn't real. They made their bed...

Exactly this. You force them to stay and make them Putin's problem. By remaining in Russia up to this point, they are assumed complicit.

 

[Kepler]

Exactly this. You force them to stay and make them Putin's problem. By remaining in Russia up to this point, they are assumed complicit.

Jesus fuck people.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

That's an exceptionally dumb false equivalency from you. Do better.

 

[aparch]

That's an exceptionally dumb false equivalency from you. Do better.

Agreed.

 

[Kepler]

It's not an equivalency. It's a reminder of what happens when we use people as game pieces in geopolitical strategy. Do not do that. It's bad behavior.

 

[RaceBoarder]

If the people trying to get out were gonna protest Poots, they would have been doing so already Kep.

This is like saying that we should welcome new Congress people from Wyoming because they MAY NOT be MAGA Republican.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

It's not an equivalency. It's a reminder of what happens when we use people as game pieces in geopolitical strategy. Do not do that. It's bad behavior.

It's also bad behavior to shoot people in the head. But if someone busts into your house one night and wants to have their way with your wife and your daughter I'm guessing if you had a gun in your hand you'd shoot them in the head.

We live in a world where bullies want to take advantage of weaker people. Sometimes people not directly involved end up getting hurt. Too many humans have yet to figure out a way around that. Plus, as others have posted most of these fleeing Russians are simply looking for an easy way out after ignoring Russia's war crimes for the last 7 months. There absolutely need to be consequences for people like that.

 

[Handyman]

We aren't using them, they are autonomous beings making decisions on their own. Stop infantalizing them because you think you are on the same side...you aren't. They are perfectly fine with Putin invading Ukraine unprovoked, murdering people for funsies and putting the entire world back on the Doomsday Clock as long as their life isn't inconvenienced. If they were more than that they could have left at any point in the prior 7 months. No they waited until they were put in harms way...they fucked around and they are finding out. They are the equivalent of the "Good Little Germans" or the Italians who dared not fight Mussolini as long as the trains ran on time.

If you want to protect people, protect the ones that have been protesting in Moscow and St. Petersburg off and on since the war started. Protect the ones being arrested and beaten. Protect the ones who are accidentally falling out windows. Lets not repeat the mistakes we made post WW2 letting in the former Nazis because they had the wherewithal and the means to leave. (or had technology we needed **cough**Wernher Von Braun**cough** )

 

[Russell Jaslow]

If you want to protect people, protect the ones that have been protesting in Moscow and St. Petersburg off and on since the war started. Protect the ones being arrested and beaten.

Speaking of which, Russia is now conscripting those they arrested for protesting the war.

So, just how large are the Ukrainian POW camps? Because you know this new conscripted Army is going to set a record time for immediate surrender.

 

[Handyman]

Speaking of which, Russia is now conscripting those they arrested for protesting the war.

So, just how large are the Ukrainian POW camps? Because you know this new conscripted Army is going to set a record time for immediate surrender.

Agreed. And the best part is Russia thinks that threatening them with 10 years in prison for desertion is going to stop it...like they care!

 

[Kepler]

Saying we'll accept refugees isn't infantalizing them; who are you, Milton Friedman talking about the Poors?

It's a false choice to say protect the people protesting OR the people trying to get out. Protect both.

You guys made a dumb kneejerk "hurr let's get tough hurr" post for likes and you're wrong and got called on it, so suck it up, change your mind, and move past it. FFS, we all say dumb things sometimes, don't dig your heels in and double down on... fucking over refugees?!?