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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Swansong said:
Again, I ask, what your main issue is, other than to argue and be argumentative.
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Are the Delta and Lambda variants as bad as baseline? As you say, the CFR should be pretty much the same, but they're new, so, we don't know. Thank you for the simple answer to a simple question.


My point to posting ND and SD data is those two states have pretty solid vax rollout and their cases and deaths have dropped. (Pop around those sites; they're pretty good for data.)

https://www.health.nd.gov/covid19vaccine/dashboard
 
The Sicatoka said:
Are the Delta and Lambda variants as bad as baseline? As you say, the CFR should be pretty much the same, but they're new, so, we don't know. Thank you for the simple answer to a simple question.


My point to posting ND and SD data is those two states have pretty solid vax rollout and their cases and deaths have dropped. (Pop around those sites; they're pretty good for data.)

https://www.health.nd.gov/covid19vaccine/dashboard
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Well, we don't know for sure about Delta or Lambda (or Gamma), but "as bad" is pretty subjective and depends how you define it. They are - most likely - about as lethal on a case-by-case basis because the variation is only related to the method of infection. But they are substantially more infectious than previous variants. The ratio of infection or case to mortality (IFR or CFR) will probably not change in a substantial way, but with rising cases comes rising mortality, particularly among the non-vaccinated.
 
Not that I need any new reasons to hate Dumpies but it is true that the more unvaccinated people there are the higher the likelihood of further mutations which could then end run our existing vaccines? The more we allow this thing to be out there the more it re-sorts itself?
 
Kepler said:
Not that I need any new reasons to hate Dumpies but it is true that the more unvaccinated people there are the higher the likelihood of further mutations which could then end run our existing vaccines? The more we allow this thing to be out there the more it re-sorts itself?
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I'm no virologist, but isn't mutation "normal" virus behavior (Swan?) --> see: the flu shot is an annual "most likely" best guess.

The seasonal influenza (flu) vaccine is designed to protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research indicates are most likely to spread and cause illness among people during the upcoming flu season. Flu viruses are constantly changing, so the vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick, the extent to which those viruses are spreading, and how well the previous season’s vaccine protects against those viruses.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm

I look forward to the day SARS CoV-2 is just another option on the best guess rotation.
 
Viruses are incredibly unstable by nature as they mostly (or entirely?) lack the self-correcting functionality that "normal" DNA has. Some viruses are insanely unstable (influenza), and others relatively stable (coronaviruses in general). But keep in mind that there is a chance for mutation with every single infection, and we've given SARS2 zillions of chances for mutation because we're stupid.


Here's an interesting primer:
https://www.breakthroughs.com/advanc...-means-vaccine

Here's a more in-the-weeds article from the NIH:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/




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It would be extremely unlikely for COVID to start mutating at the rate influenza mutates (which is relentless). That would be very bad for us in the medium term, but the physical construction of the viruses are wildly different so by nature they'd act differently. We may need booster shots (and seriously, most vaccines require a booster at some point, why is it so frightening to people that this might too?), but it is rather less than likely that COVID boosters would have to change so often as influenza shots.
 
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Drew S. said:
I don’t understand why we went away from masks in the first place. I absolutely hate wearing them but honestly until this thing is dead and buried we should have kept wearing them, at least indoors.

It will be interesting where the CDC goes from here. I would like to see intervention now so things don’t get completely out of control but that hasn’t been the American way when it comes to Covid.
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Hmmmm, the Dumbass you didn't vote for. And all his willing sycophants that you have supported all these years because the Dems were gonna take yer gunz.

Jesus, is it that hard for you to figure this out? You're supposedly educated. Now, think how hard it is for the stupid folk.

Here's the thing, Drew. You've heard how they talk about masks. How those in favor of them are evil, trying to take away your rights and Freedums, etc. Well, that's the same way they've been talking about yer gunz for forty years now. And you bought that hook line and sinker.

And yet, you're still puzzled by the controversy over masks. Think about it. It'll come to you.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
My point?

Is Delta or Lambda carrying a higher morbidity? I'm hearing "communicable", but not the other information.

So how's that stopping someone?
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I don't see a statement in any of that "point"- so what is your point? Or are you just questioning the morbidity rate of the new strains? Which isn't a point, but a question.

What outcome do you want to see based on the question? I don't see it being all that relevant asking how morbid the virus is when people are still dying in a free and preventable manner.

You want to see the annual guess of the virus, others don't- wanting to see is actually being eradicated via herd immunity. There's a pretty significant difference to that.
 
Kepler said:
It wasn't "our country," it was the morons in power when it hit. Since we put the adults in charge there has been an enormous improvement.

The American Disaster was a Republican Disaster.
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Drew still hasn't quite been able to wrap his tiny little brain around that fact, either.

Its like, he's almost there, and then.................like that, it's gone
 
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Kepler said:
Not that I need any new reasons to hate Dumpies but it is true that the more unvaccinated people there are the higher the likelihood of further mutations which could then end run our existing vaccines? The more we allow this thing to be out there the more it re-sorts itself?
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yes. The more the virus spreads, the more chances there are for a mutation that allows it to evade the current vaccines
 
Swansong said:
The different between these variants are in the spike protein, not in the "money" part of the virus, so in theory the CFR should be pretty much the same. But they're new and data isn't full yet.



Again, I ask, what your main issue is, other than to argue and be argumentative.
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He's just asking the questions.

You know, the ones the rest of you dumbasses can't be bothered to contemplate.

But Sic, he's special. These are the things that keep him up at night. Pondering life's mysteries and whatnot. Deep thinker, that Sic.
 
rufus said:
Hmmmm, the Dumbass you didn't vote for. And all his willing sycophants that you have supported all these years because the Dems were gonna take yer gunz.

Jesus, is it that hard for you to figure this out? You're supposedly educated. Now, think how hard it is for the stupid folk.

Here's the thing, Drew. You've heard how they talk about masks. How those in favor of them are evil, trying to take away your rights and Freedums, etc. Well, that's the same way they've been talking about yer gunz for forty years now. And you bought that hook line and sinker.

And yet, you're still puzzled by the controversy over masks. Think about it. It'll come to you.
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I’d give up my guns if it meant freeing ourselves from Covid. Your point is spot on in this post though.

I do appreciate you saying I’m educated.
 
A new long haul after effect of COVID has been pointed out to me. My family says since I had (and mostly recovered from, I thought) COVID, I am reversing words in my speech occasionally. I have not had a stroke or recent concussion, and this has apparently been noticeable only since last fall. Has else anyone of heard this?

(that last part was a joke, by the way)
 
Drew S. said:
I’d give up my guns if it meant freeing ourselves from Covid. Your point is spot on in this post though.

I do appreciate you saying I’m educated.
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I said "supposedly"

The things you post here don't offer a whole lot of proof, though.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
I would argue that in many ways, including many where healthcare is concerned, the United States is NOT a first-world country.
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Even after only working in healthcare for 4 1/2 years, in many ways I agree. In terms of the actual application of healthcare - we are as good as it gets. But administration and financials? "Third world" would be generous.
 
We have been falling steadily since the Reagan Revolution destroyed our economy and began to roll us back to a feudal state. It's a question of whether the Nazis can finish the job or we finish them first.
 
MichVandal said:
I don't see a statement in any of that "point"- so what is your point? Or are you just questioning the morbidity rate of the new strains? Which isn't a point, but a question.
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My point -- is that I didn't know and thought someone here would have useful insights, like Swan did.
 
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