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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Someone has a measurable antibody response and/or TCells. They are immune correct?

someone from the “science” crowd please explain.
 
I saw a stat that said Cleveland Clinics did a survey of their system and something like 99.7% of all hospitalized covid patients now were not vaccinated.
 
Handyman said:
Honestly there isnt much reason to keep them anymore. The smart ones will be smart and the stupid ones will die. The mandate won't stop that now...

MN is gonna drop theirs too and we still have people in hospitals because they refuse vaccines. Walz can't afford to keep the mandate forever...he is listening to doctors and doing the best he can same with Whitmer.
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Yeah, this was one I actually agreed with or at least understood.

The dam broke when the CDC said no masks for vaccinated. You can't stand there and principle your way out of the wall of water. Evacuate to higher ground and know you warned people.

I would have liked to see a firm hold at 70% then the mandate goes away. But not happening.

and that said, the large scale (200,000+) show this vaccine is ridiculously good. The study out of Bahrain (or was it UAE?) showed that Pfizer was something like 97% effective against b117 and b1351 against hospitalization. Plus, in countries we've seen hit 50-60%, it just falls off a cliff.
 
Like I said before. Going forward, those getting sico and dying are the ones who deserve to. Because they made that choice to.

Also, same folks who don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.
 
I know there are ethical concerns but we really should have had challenge trials to know the true effectiveness of the vaccine. I think that is one place we have really messed up.
 
Kepler said:
Karma. It's... funny.
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Karma? 100% asymptomatic and not sick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5097358001

CDC now recommends no testing for asymptomatic people after vaccination because it is a hassle. Even if they are exposed to a sick person.

Now it is recommended to test only when there is a clinical observation of symptoms + test. This was the definition of a case prior to Covid. And now again post circus. Brilliant.

Yes it would be a hassle calling all those vaccinated people “cases.” So poof just change the definition of a case. I pointed this out 14 months ago.
 
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Like I said before. Going forward, those getting sico and dying are the ones who deserve to. Because they made that choice to.

Also, same folks who don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.
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Unvaccinated healthy people won’t get sick and die. And they will continue to do quite well with Darwin’s theory of evolution given that they are healthy and have a functioning immune system.

overweight people which is approximately half the country and have 4 comorbidities, vaccine or no vaccine it is going to be a very up hill battle, especially with age.

Your health is your responsibility.
 
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Like I said before. Going forward, those getting sico and dying are the ones who deserve to. Because they made that choice to.
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Most of them.

There's also guys like our friend who has lost a kidney and has a compromised immune system. He's gone the next time a red hat walks by him.

I mean, the other choice is just round them up and...
 
dxmnkd316 said:
https://twitter.com/jwlarrabee/statu...598455298?s=21

and 97% of the workers who tested positive were unvaccinated.

the vaccine works and it works remarkably well.
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And that very much means that everyone who continues to die from COVID are are not vaccinated- other than the 3%.

Just want to throw one out there- is anyone really aware of people who do not have the ability to get the vaccine? It does very much seem that it's now it's a choice to not do it, which means a choice to get sick and possibly die.

One wonders if people will pay attention to the data.... wait, how can I even wonder that??? Starting since December, there's been 18 months worth of science and data, and not only do they refuse to recognize it, they blather the opposite. I guess this is just a flu to them, forgetting that MOST people who get the flu don't pack up hospitals... oops- more data that they will ignore.
 
Kind of an interesting follow up- on the cruise board- some person from Texas was bragging how there was such a sharp decline in cases, that the lifted the mask mandate state wide back in March. They were touting that the mask was useless based on the data....

It's been two months, and the covid rate has remained steady for the last two months- not a lot at just about 1500 confirmed cases per day, and another just under 1000 probables per day. Deaths are also pretty constant at 30-40 per day.

In a state like that, that's where I actually wonder if vaccine access is truly there for 100% of people who want one.

And looking at Florida data (which is important to us because cruising)- it's also pretty constant- more new cases, but roughly the same death rate.

Sadly, the alternate port for us in New Jersey is also pretty high. But at lest the long term trends are going down instead of being largely constant.

Finally, looking at my own state- no reason to not mask up. Trends are sharply down, but numbers are too high.
 
If Americans had paid as much attention to their own health and reversible risks like BMI, Vit D, A1C, etc for 12 mos rather than whether their neighbor wears a mask or will take the Vax, outcomes could really be different for many. But personal responsibility is an anathema.
 
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