Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Kepler]

What if this pandemic, instead of being a respiratory virus, was a disease ravaging the gay community, transmitted primarily through sexual contact? In the interest of public health you'd support an effort by the conservative SD governor to place a temporary ban on all gay sexual contact, you know, just until the crisis passed?

I would regulate bath houses, pick up joints, brothels, swingers clubs, frat parties, social media hook-up apps and other mechanisms that increase indiscriminate sex.

I'd dispense medically effective PPE for free to anyone who wanted it, no questions asked.

And I'd multiply research funding for the disease by 100.

And I'd send out PSAs for everyone to be very careful about sexual contact, since obviously there is nothing special about gays and the fact of their initial higher exposure was a contingent accident, like AIDS.

I would not "ban sexual contact" (however you'd even do that), since that would make no sense. But of course nobody has suggested anything analogous in the COVID case.

I might have priests, Republican Congressmen, conservative pundits, and evangelical pastors wear little yellow badges, though, given their historical proclivities. Under the condition you posit, rapists would be far more of a lethal threat to innocent people.

 

[Swansong]

That's a ridiculous analogy. No one is banning anyone from contact - restaurant and gym and church closures are not in any way analogous to banning sexual contact. What silly right wing nonsense machine did you steal that from?

 

[leswp1]

Does finger pointing help? I ask that question seriously. Personally, I think in many instances it simply causes people to further dig in their heels.

With respect to Sturgis, personally I think it would have been a bad decision to attend. But SD did not "hold" Sturgis. It's not a state sponsored event at all. Could the State have stepped in and implemented some sort of order banning large gatherings. They could have, but I don't know that it would have prevented it from occurring. It didn't prevent that rodeo in northern Minnesota from occurring.

That study about Sturgis that someone linked to awhile back showed that Hennepin County was in the top 10, I believe, of all counties in the U.S. from whence Sturgis participants came. Could Minnesota, or Hennepin County have enacted a rule that said that if you go to Sturgis, you must isolate and quarantine for 14 days before re-entering Minnesota? Yeah, they could have, but they didn't. But I don't point the finger at Minnesota or Hennepin county for not doing that.

I've never really been a big fan of playing the blame game. Sure, if you are trying to prosecute someone for a crime, or of you are suing someone for a wrong, you legally have to blame someone. But just in general, I don't find it helpful. Too often I think it is done because it makes the blamer feel better about himself or herself, or maybe even because there is a deepseated guilt in the blamer's own mind about his or her role in the problem.

To each his own, obviously.

I don't really think this is about blame. If the people acknowledged they had done something that was causing irreparable harm and acted to prevent further harm then I think it would be moot. The problem is there are people clinging to the belief that they shouldn't be told what to do and they are not only causing themselves harm but they are metastasizing that harm in a way that spreads across the country. Add to that they are now using tax dollar and other resources to deal with the problem while still messaging they have a right to do what they want.

Libertarianism only works when there is a pressure to behave in a socially responsible way. With rights come responsibilities. When people want the rights at the expense (harm and $$) of others then it isn't really surprising that folks get agitated. Now if they came out and said they want to do what they want but wouldn't travel to other places and would decline federal support- then I wouldn't think them smart but ....

 

[SJHovey]

I would regulate bath houses, pick up joints, brothels, frat parties, social media hook-up apps and other mechanisms that increase indiscriminate sex.

I'd dispense medically effective PPE for free to anyone who wanted it, no questions asked.

And I'd multiply research funding for the disease by 100.

And I'd send out PSAs for everyone to be very careful about sexual contact, since obviously there is nothing special about gays and the fact of their initial higher exposure was a contingent accident, like AIDS.

I would not "ban sexual contact" (however you'd even do that), since that would make no sense. But of course nobody has suggested anything analogous in the COVID case.

I might have priests, Republican Congressmen, conservative pundits, and evangelical pastors wear little yellow badges, though, given their historical proclivities.

The point is not whether anything "analogous" has been implemented for Covid.

The question is this. How willing are you to grant plenary powers to a single individual in your state to do what they conclude is in the public's best safety interest, keeping in mind, as everyone here is so happy to point out, there is a pretty wide range of viewpoints among those who hold the governors offices.

 

[leswp1]

The point is not whether anything "analogous" has been implemented for Covid.

The question is this. How willing are you to grant plenary powers to a single individual in your state to do what they conclude is in the public's best safety interest, keeping in mind, as everyone here is so happy to point out, there is a pretty wide range of viewpoints among those who hold the governors offices.

We could stop making this about political choice and start with listening to the experts. Not the political hacks but the experts. There are a lot of things that are not controversial. Most other countries seem to be able to do this. We stand out as being incapable of a national response.

 

[Kepler]

The point is not whether anything "analogous" has been implemented for Covid.

The question is this. How willing are you to grant plenary powers to a single individual in your state to do what they conclude is in the public's best safety interest, keeping in mind, as everyone here is so happy to point out, there is a pretty wide range of viewpoints among those who hold the governors offices.

It's. F-cking. Science.

It's not political opinion. I do not understand how the Right does not get that we don't vote on facts. Reality is that which exists even if you don't believe in it.

Or to put it more bluntly, microbes don't care about your feelings.

 

[SJHovey]

It's. F-cking. Science.

It's not political opinion. I do not understand how the Right does not get that we don't vote on facts. Reality is that which exists even if you don't believe in it.

Or to put it more bluntly, microbes don't care about your feelings.

You guys don't seem to understand this one simple fact. I am not disputing the science.

I don't dispute that it's a respiratory disease, spread by close range contact, or basically breathing the same air. I don't dispute that.

 

[Jeb2020]

It's. F-cking. Science.

It's not political opinion. I do not understand how the Right does not get that we don't vote on facts. Reality is that which exists even if you don't believe in it.

Or to put it more bluntly, microbes don't care about your feelings.

What's up Board Facist ^^^

Why is it that the Covid-Zombies love yapping about #Science or #Experts but never elaborate? As if saying those words are show stoppers, case closed. Bunch of children.

What is #Science? #ChiefAdultChild
-Lockdowns?
-No Sporting events for almost a year?
-Almost every white collar job working remote
-School Closures?
-Healthy people wearing masks? When someone takes 44 breaths per minute where exactly do you think those healthy breaths of air are going? Rock Head
-PCR Tests with an over sensitive CT and no clinical observation. Sounds like some great #Science there.

Jeeze CupCake you would think if your #Science would #Science it would at least put a dent in some of the #Cases.

Now excuse me I need to go take a selfie with my mask on.

 

[rufus]

What if this pandemic, instead of being a respiratory virus, was a disease ravaging the gay community, transmitted primarily through sexual contact? In the interest of public health you'd support an effort by the conservative SD governor to place a temporary ban on all gay sexual contact, you know, just until the crisis passed?

What if you would just deal with reality, and not offer up strawmen?

 

[rufus]

You guys don't seem to understand this one simple fact. I am not disputing the science.

I don't dispute that it's a respiratory disease, spread by close range contact, or basically breathing the same air. I don't dispute that.

No, you just dispute that we should do anything about it.

Because freedoms, or human nature, or some such ****.

When really all it is is you just don't want to be inconvenienced. Probably pizzes you off to have to put shoes and a shirt on to go into the C-store.

 

[Handyman]

Taking a break from the slap fight going on:

215K new cases and 2840 deaths. (so far)

7 states above 100 deaths. (Minnesota and Tennessee over 90) 3 States over 200 deaths.

 

[Handyman]

Oh an update:

217k cases and 2915 deaths.

Now 8 states over 100 (with MN and TN still in the 90s) with 3 over 200. (Michigan 193)

Rounding the corner!

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

No, you just dispute that we should do anything about it.

Because freedoms, or human nature, or some such ****.

When really all it is is you just don't want to be inconvenienced. Probably pizzes you off to have to put shoes and a shirt on to go into the C-store.

Not taking about hovey here in particular, but I find all these freedom loving people who want no government are always the first ones begging for the federal teet when they have some kind of issue

 

[Drew S.]

Part of Mass is out of ICU beds, but don’t worry restaurants are still open for indoor dining.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Foster County, ND had 93 cases yesterday.
population: 3,290

lincoln county, CO: 235
Population: 5,548

 

[dxmnkd316]

Gove County, KS has a death rate of 763/100k residents.

 

[Handyman]

Yeah but if no one sees it does it really matter?

 

[rufus]

But I was told that the number of deaths was falling.

I'm confused. Was I being lied to? Talked down to like I was an 8 year old?

 

[theprofromdover]

But didn't Trump say that NOBODY would be talking about Covid after the election? Maybe he meant we'd all be dead.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Heard this morning that Covid has surpassed Heart Disease as the leading cause of death in the United States. Congratulations America, you did it.