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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

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https://twitter.com/StacyStClair/sta...59365860368386

In 2019, there were more than 26,000 Illinois residents deemed too dangerous to own a gun.

Then the Pratt shooting happened and the FOID enforcement flaws were exposed.

Nothing changed. In fact, it got worse.

By 2020, the number had grown to over 30,000 - a 15% increase.
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Illinois has the FOID system (Firearm Owner ID), where all Illinois residents, if they wish to legally purchase guns and ammo, must register for (you know, the well regulated part). This allows the Illinois State Police to perform a background check and approve/deny you.

Problem is, the 2A nuts want the FOID gone, and have hamstrung the department financially by limiting the budget. And when the ISP raised the fee to register foe the *ten* year card, 2A nuts went apesh** over the *$10* fee. (Yes, it's a dollar per year.)

On top of the initial issues, the FOID system is only as good as the information that goes into it. If other departments within AND outside Illinois (or even the ISP itself) doesn't port data into the FOID system, it's been hamstrung from finding red flag data itself.

The backlog for the FOID, which is capped at 30 days before you're automatically approved with a shrug, was bad pre-pandemic thanks to finance issues causing short staff and searches to be limited, and has only gotten worse thanks to the shutdown of the pandemic.

And finally, on the issue in the above Tweet, the ISP may know of red flags triggered by the FOID system after someone has legally obtained the FOID, but the revocation of the FOID and/or firearms in possession is handed off to the local police/sheriff department. ISP, who oversees the goddammed system, isn't allowed to act upon it themselves.


The FOID system is a good start (again, well regulated), it's not great, and it definitely needs to be fixed, but the 2A nuts singlehandedly neutered it because they're (rightfully) concerned their own actions will cause themselves to lose the ability to own/purchase guns.
 
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aparch said:
Illinois has the FOID system (Firearm Owner ID), where all Illinois residents, if they wish to legally purchase guns and ammo, must register for (you know, the well regulated part). This allows the Illinois State Police to perform a background check and approve/deny you.
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Why are they trying to manage their own system? Why not just use NICS?
 
The Sicatoka said:
Why are they trying to manage their own system? Why not just use NICS?
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It's a layer above and beyond that one. NICS is also performed for each firearm sale despite having a FOID.

As for if a NICS check is performed during the FOID process, I am unfamilar with that.
 
aparch said:
https://twitter.com/StacyStClair/sta...59365860368386



Illinois has the FOID system (Firearm Owner ID), where all Illinois residents, if they wish to legally purchase guns and ammo, must register for (you know, the well regulated part). This allows the Illinois State Police to perform a background check and approve/deny you.

Problem is, the 2A nuts want the FOID gone, and have hamstrung the department financially by limiting the budget. And when the ISP raised the fee to register foe the *ten* year card, 2A nuts went apesh** over the *$10* fee. (Yes, it's a dollar per year.)

On top of the initial issues, the FOID system is only as good as the information that goes into it. If other departments within AND outside Illinois (or even the ISP itself) doesn't port data into the FOID system, it's been hamstrung from finding red flag data itself.

The backlog for the FOID, which is capped at 30 days before you're automatically approved with a shrug, was bad pre-pandemic thanks to finance issues causing short staff and searches to be limited, and has only gotten worse thanks to the shutdown of the pandemic.

And finally, on the issue in the above Tweet, the ISP may know of red flags triggered by the FOID system after someone has legally obtained the FOID, but the revocation of the FOID and/or firearms in possession is handed off to the local police/sheriff department. ISP, who oversees the goddammed system, isn't allowed to act upon it themselves.


The FOID system is a good start (again, well regulated), it's not great, and it definitely needs to be fixed, but the 2A nuts singlehandedly neutered it because they're (rightfully) concerned their own actions will cause themselves to lose the ability to own/purchase guns.
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Does this also deal with guns purchased in states that have more lax laws? If this kid bought his guns in Indiana or Wisconsin how does the FOID deal with that?
 
Handyman said:
Does this also deal with guns purchased in states that have more lax laws? If this kid bought his guns in Indiana or Wisconsin how does the FOID deal with that?
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And this is a huge problem in urban Chicago. A lot of their guns were purchased in Indiana and then "stolen" and wind up in Chicago.
 
Swansong said:
And this is a huge problem in urban Chicago. A lot of their guns were purchased in Indiana and then "stolen" and wind up in Chicago.
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I actually saw an argument on Twitter that guns can't be coming from Indiana because only Indiana residents can get guns in the state.
 
First Time said:
I actually saw an argument on Twitter that guns can't be coming from Indiana because only Indiana residents can get guns in the state.
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Handyman said:
Does this also deal with guns purchased in states that have more lax laws? If this kid bought his guns in Indiana or Wisconsin how does the FOID deal with that?
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Kinda.

https://www.alphakoncepts.com/blog/c...another-state/

As an Illinois resident, I can go to a neighboring state (IN, WI, MO, KY, IA), and purchase a rifle or shotgun (and ammo for said weapon), wait the three days (or you're supposed to), and take it home. Most places will want a copy of your FOID for their records. I online purchased ammo from North Carolina during the pandemic shortage, and they obliged as long as I emailed them a copy of my FOID.

Handguns purchased out of state must be transferred from an FFL in the state purchased to an FFL in Illinois, and then retrieved in Illinois.

Gangbangers with stolen handguns are likely guns (and or ammo) purchased in Indiana (or elsewhere) legally, "lost," transferred across state lines and delivered to gangbangers.


Of note, there is no federal waiting period. Each state has their own rules (states rights!). It can take the FBI up to three days to perform a background check with NICS, but the seller doesn't actually need to do one.


And.... despite Illinois being pointed out as having "the most stringent gun laws in the US, and they still don't work," Illinois laws are very lackadaisical compared to California, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-l...ck-procedures/
 
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Does this also deal with guns purchased in states that have more lax laws? If this kid bought his guns in Indiana or Wisconsin how does the FOID deal with that?
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During my time working with Bass Pro Shop, I got to spend some time assisting with firearm sales at the Hammond, Indiana and Portage, Indiana Cabela's stores... They absolutely required a FOID card to be shown with ALL sales to anyone who had IL residency.... Roughly 20% of all firearm sales at these stores were to IL residents.

One in probably 10 "tire kickers" was an IL resident who was shocked to see that this was required. Before showing the firearm, we would ask where the customer lived. We would also work the fact that an IL FOID card was required into ALL sales conversations. Basically as a seller, it was to cover my own ass with this stuff. Many sales people were much more lax with this stuff as they felt that it was "up to the customer to know".

There was a ton of misconceptions about what people thought the rules were vs what they actually were. And that is the biggest issue with the 2nd Amendment...
 
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Also, don't let the right wing / 2A a**holes gas light you. This isn't "typical Chicago thuggery."

Highland Park is 20 miles north of the Chicago city limits. In the *very* affluent and lack of crime north side, surrounded by other well-to-do neighborhoods. This is where Michael Jordan owned his house. Where Cubs and Bears players live. Where every John Hughes film in "Chicago" is filmed or based upon.

This isn't a "Chicago" problem, it's a gun problem.
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“And you know what we found out when we got here? There is no Shermurs in Illinois!”
 
dxmnkd316 said:
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It's a line from Dogma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Ou-iK2_kQ

Bethany: What exactly brought you to Illinois?
Jay: See, all these movies take place in this small town called Shermer, Illinois, where the honeys are top-shelf, but all the dudes are whiny pu**ies except for Judd Nelson; he was fu**ing harsh. But best of all, there's no one dealin', man. Then it hits me, we could live like fat rats if we're the blunt collection in Shermer, Illinois! So we collected some money we were owed, and caught a bus. You know what the fu** we found out when we got there? There is no Shermer in Illinois. Movies are fu**ing bullsh**.
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As for the Fuck Weinstein comment, Kevin Smith had a deal with Miramax (Disney) to distribute the film, but the Catholic League got all hot and heavy on Disney over the content in Dogma. So Disney got cold feet. So the rights for US distribution got moved to Lionsgate for theaters. Home movie sales were handled by Sony (then Columbia). It had a re-issue on Blu-Ray in 2008, but that was the last it was seen. The rights to the entire thing were bought personally by Bob and Harvey Weinstein. Their deal pre-dates streaming, and they won't give up the streaming rights (plus the fact Harvey is in prison for a couple decades).
 
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