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Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!

Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!

RECORD AFTER 2 LOSSES IN BIG7 PLAYOFFS AT OHIO STATE

Record: 14-20-2 (7-15-2-2 - 25pts, 7th in Big7) (n/c)
GF/GA: 112/135
USCHO Poll: NR (n/c)
USA Today Poll: NR (n/c)
PWR: t30 (-2)
RPI: 32 (-4)
KRACH: 21 (-1)
Scoring: 3.11 GPG; 18th (-5)
Defense: 3.75 GAPG; 58th (n/c)
Power Play Goals: 26; T24th (+1)
Power Play Rate: 20.97% (26 of 124); 20th (-1)
Penalty Kill Rate: 75.81% (94 of 124), 53rd (-2)
Penalty Min per Game: 11.81; 21st (1st is worst) (+1)
Shorthanded Goals Scored; 4; T11th (-1)
Shorthanded Goals Allowed: 3; T23rd (1st is worst) (-8)
Team Faceoff: 48.4%; T44th (+1)
Shots Allowed: 1158; 50th (+2)
Save %: .883; 58th (-5)

Tony Granato coaching statistics:
62-72-12, .466 thru 4 seasons:
2016-17 record: 20-15-1
2017-18 record: 14-19-4
2018-19 record: 14-18-5
2019-20 record: 14-20-2

6 straight seasons with no NCAA playoffs!
 
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!

Miller is almost assuredly signing.
Weissbach is staying, per that guy who wrote the Athletic profile on the draftees.

Little else is “official”.
 
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Miller moving on would seem to be addition by subtraction. Spending some time in the AHL would be a good move for him at this point.
 
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gwhinwi said:
Miller moving on would seem to be addition by subtraction. Spending some time in the AHL would be a good move for him at this point.
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He might get sent down to the ECHL the way he plays.
 
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What I'm wondering more is if rather than a coaching change happening ---> will the coaches change?
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
What I'm wondering more is if rather than a coaching change happening ---> will the coaches change?
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They haven't in 4 years, so the answer is probably no.

I went to the WHB luncheons last year all I heard was wait for this year, wait for this year. Still waiting......
 
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You might be right, but one would think that given the "this is the year" nature of this season, the staff would be seriously questioning what they did or what went wrong. Post season SOP is pretty much tear everything you do down and look at it under a microscope. Will they do that and will that process produce changes in the system they want to play? The way they coach it? Anything?

I don't think Oz or Tony or Mark suddenly forgot how to play or coach hockey, (Eaves didn't suddenly "forget" either, that wasn't it. ) nor do I think any of them are dumb. They're pretty smart guys. The question is what are they doing now, why are they doing it, and why isn't it producing results?

Here's (obviously) the single most significant stat:

'17 3.28ga (46th) 20-15-1

'18 3.35ga (49th) 14-19-4

'19 3.51ga (53rd) 14-18-5

'20 3.75ga (57th) 14-20-2


Taking the top 14 PWR this year and all the at-large teams the preceding 3 years, only 2 teams (out of 56) had GAA over 3.00. In '18 MI @ 3.02gaa and PSU @ 3.06gaa. That's it. And only a couple of more teams were even over 2.5gaa.

Given that, it seems pretty clear that you can't just depend on outscoring teams as an overall strategy and expect positive results. It's too hard to do consistently and it's especially too hard in the B1G. (not to mention playing the #1 SOS in the country.)

And it is very clearly not just goaltending.

So I'm interested to see what, if anything they will look to do, systems wise and otherwise. Or if they'll just chalk it up to youth and keep plowing forward. (4.00 gaa here we come!)
 
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Hmmm...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per college hockey sources, expect an announcement in the next week or so that Vermont and associate head coach Kevin Patrick are mutually parting ways. Assistant coach Jeff Hill (UVM alum) will stay on to help in transition with possibility of being retained by new head coach.</p>— Jeff Cox (@JeffCoxSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffCoxSports/status/1237100679891767296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Here's (obviously) the single most significant stat:

'17 3.28ga (46th) 20-15-1

'18 3.35ga (49th) 14-19-4

'19 3.51ga (53rd) 14-18-5

'20 3.75ga (57th) 14-20-2
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This is the kind of stuff that needs to be taken to those fan relation meetings. With numbers like this that clearly show that what they have been doing isn't working, what are they going to do to correct matters? The shocking absence of a goaltending coach is certainly not helping matters either.

Again, I don't blame the goalies entirely for this drop off. If your defensive system (and how they players play) causes tons of chances to be sent your way, you will start taking on bad habits to compensate and those get exposed over time.

Something definitely needs to change and/or heads should roll.
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
Hmmm...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per college hockey sources, expect an announcement in the next week or so that Vermont and associate head coach Kevin Patrick are mutually parting ways. Assistant coach Jeff Hill (UVM alum) will stay on to help in transition with possibility of being retained by new head coach.</p>— Jeff Cox (@JeffCoxSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffCoxSports/status/1237100679891767296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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They’re getting the band back together!

*Howie knocks on Brad Winchester’s door*
 
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Even if he was coming here, even if it did actually excite me, I’m no longer able to trust such snap judgements.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
You might be right, but one would think that given the "this is the year" nature of this season, the staff would be seriously questioning what they did or what went wrong. Post season SOP is pretty much tear everything you do down and look at it under a microscope. Will they do that and will that process produce changes in the system they want to play? The way they coach it? Anything?

I don't think Oz or Tony or Mark suddenly forgot how to play or coach hockey, (Eaves didn't suddenly "forget" either, that wasn't it. ) nor do I think any of them are dumb. They're pretty smart guys. The question is what are they doing now, why are they doing it, and why isn't it producing results?

Here's (obviously) the single most significant stat:

'17 3.28ga (46th) 20-15-1

'18 3.35ga (49th) 14-19-4

'19 3.51ga (53rd) 14-18-5

'20 3.75ga (57th) 14-20-2


Taking the top 14 PWR this year and all the at-large teams the preceding 3 years, only 2 teams (out of 56) had GAA over 3.00. In '18 MI @ 3.02gaa and PSU @ 3.06gaa. That's it. And only a couple of more teams were even over 2.5gaa.

Given that, it seems pretty clear that you can't just depend on outscoring teams as an overall strategy and expect positive results. It's too hard to do consistently and it's especially too hard in the B1G. (not to mention playing the #1 SOS in the country.)

And it is very clearly not just goaltending.

So I'm interested to see what, if anything they will look to do, systems wise and otherwise. Or if they'll just chalk it up to youth and keep plowing forward. (4.00 gaa here we come!)
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Wisko I think in addition to very good points I agree with here. I think with the facilities and everything these kids have they lose sight emotionally of why they are here. Mike Eaves lost his way but he was tough on the players and they got whatever message he was giving. He was tough. Real consequences for poor play are needed. Years ago I went to Cap Ice in Middleton before an NCAA game to watch a Badgers practice, before 06. He got mad at the players and was screaming expletives you would not believe. Two years later they won it. Tony has to be too soft and Mark maybe. I cant see OZ that way.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
What I'm wondering more is if rather than a coaching change happening ---> will the coaches change?
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That is the only hope. They have to change the system. I don't think TG is going to turn into Eaves as far as being a disciplinarian, so they have to change the system. Maybe getting a new assistant "bad cop" coach might help. I hope someone asks him directly is he's planning on turning over every stone to get this mess cleaned up.
 
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wjefwhite said:
Wisko I think in addition to very good points I agree with here. I think with the facilities and everything these kids have they lose sight emotionally of why they are here. Mike Eaves lost his way but he was tough on the players and they got whatever message he was giving. He was tough. Real consequences for poor play are needed. Years ago I went to Cap Ice in Middleton before an NCAA game to watch a Badgers practice, before 06. He got mad at the players and was screaming expletives you would not believe. Two years later they won it. Tony has to be too soft and Mark maybe. I cant see OZ that way.
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Mike is a terrific hockey coach. His vast knowledge of the game and ability to teach it, as well as his ability to motivate individual players really had nothing to do with the many times re-hashed reasons things went south for him here.

It's funny -- We've heard all season from fans here and everywhere this same idea that Tony is too soft, should bench guys, kick some ***, etc.

Everything I've heard from inside the program is that Tony is extremely demanding, to the point even that some really wonder if it's not too much.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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gwhinwi said:
This is the kind of stuff that needs to be taken to those fan relation meetings. With numbers like this that clearly show that what they have been doing isn't working, what are they going to do to correct matters? The shocking absence of a goaltending coach is certainly not helping matters either.

Again, I don't blame the goalies entirely for this drop off. If your defensive system (and how they players play) causes tons of chances to be sent your way, you will start taking on bad habits to compensate and those get exposed over time.

Something definitely needs to change and/or heads should roll.
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I agree!
 
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