Will the NCAA open its doors to CHL players?

[Sol Diablo]

Doesn't appear likely in the next few years, but............?
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-open-doors-chl-players-153300731.html?

 

[MELIN27]

Would this be of benefit to the NCAA? CHL players would likely turn up with their own scholarships (albeit partial given the cost of NCAA schools). Might also benefit D3 schools who could recruit lower end CHL players. Food for thought. Anyone know of NCAA coaches opinions on this?

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

David Quinn is not a fan of the idea....at all.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/san-j...-heavily-against-chl-gaining-ncaa-eligibility

 

[Engineers]

Would this be of benefit to the NCAA? CHL players would likely turn up with their own scholarships (albeit partial given the cost of NCAA schools). Might also benefit D3 schools who could recruit lower end CHL players. Food for thought. Anyone know of NCAA coaches opinions on this?

Most NCAA coaches are against it. Athletic directors are also against it.

 

[joecct]

This will definitely keep CHL players away

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball...re-of-profits-in-wild-west-of-ncaa-athletics/

 

[elbojpb]

From the Junior Hockey News today ...

A few weeks ago the American Hockey Coaches Association got together in Florida for their annual meeting. On the agenda were discussions concerning potentially making Major Junior/CHL players eligible to play NCAA hockey.

Lets be clear on one very important fact. The CHL is not involved in any negotiations with NCAA hockey to make this potential rule change. The NCAA is considering this change based solely upon the body wanting to avoid more lawsuits that could potentially come from this rule. While some in the Canadian press are painting this as a negotiation between the CHL and NCAA, that is not the case.

While no official vote was taken, a straw poll was conducted, and a full two thirds majority of NCAA programs would vote against allowing Major Junior players to gain eligibility. The only programs that would be in favor of making this change are smaller schools who either lose their best players through the transfer portal, or cannot recruit competitively against bigger and stronger programs.

 

[lakersparty]

I'm for it. Lake State is on the Canadian border and could be an attractive option for some of these players.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

From the Junior Hockey News today ...

Am I the only one who sees that comment as a big belligerent? It certainly appears to me, reading between the lines, the CHL is against the idea. Or maybe I'm reading that wrong by 180 degrees, and they are all for it (it might allow them to keep some players who also planned to go the NCAA route) and mad the NCAA is blocking it.

 

[ccliff]

Am I the only one who sees that comment as a big belligerent? It certainly appears to me, reading between the lines, the CHL is against the idea. Or maybe I'm reading that wrong by 180 degrees, and they are all for it (it might allow them to keep some players who also planned to go the NCAA route) and mad the NCAA is blocking it.

My guess is that the CHL would be opposed to anything that opened up options to players in the league.

 

[4four4]

Coaches and AD people better figure out way to bring in CHL players or there will be lawsuits and plenty of them. Instead of putting your head into the sand and praying it goes away D1 needs to figure out how this will work out.

 

[lakersparty]

Here's a Grand Forks article gauging support from college hockey about it. Anyone know which CCHA school is in opposition? I think the CCHA could benefit from this so I'm surprised to see a school opposed.


About two-thirds of college hockey is against it.

About a third supports it.

The main support is coming from teams in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association and Atlantic Hockey America. Those leagues are not necessarily unanimous in their beliefs. There is at least one CCHA team against it.

 

[Amerzone]

Coaches and AD people better figure out way to bring in CHL players or there will be lawsuits and plenty of them. Instead of putting your head into the sand and praying it goes away D1 needs to figure out how this will work out.

Agreed, coaches and AD should address the issue of recruiting CHL players and avoid potential lawsuits by staying informed, consulting with legal counsel, and engaging in discussions with CHL officials and players. This proactive approach can minimize risk and create a more inclusive environment for all college hockey players.

 

[elbojpb]

From Mike McMahon's Summer Reading article from the CHN regarding the effect of House v. NCAA lawsuit scheduled to be submitted for approval next week.

Does this open the door for CHL players?

Absolutely.

This has been my argument from the very beginning. The coaches may never vote in favor of it, but these pending changes to the NCAA model make the change inevitable at some point.

I still don’t believe the NCAA coaches will ever vote to make the change within the normal legislative process. They didn’t in Naples earlier this month and it’s never likely to happen in the future. They won’t be forced to change the rule until a player (or group of players) from the CHL sues the NCAA, arguing that they have an illegal rule that cost them a six-figure scholarship (and potentially more now with revenue sharing).

That’s when the rule will change. Because the plantiffs will win that case. I’m sure of it.

Personally, as I have believed for months, it’s a matter of when that happens and not if it happens. At some point a lawyer is going to convince someone to sue the NCAA about that rule. It’s easy money.

Under a new NCAA model where players will be outright paid by their universities, every sports attorney I’ve spoken to about the subject believes the NCAA rule regarding CHL players will never hold up in court.

Has any NCAA rule ever held up in court?

... No, it hasn’t.

The settlement also gives schools the ability to sign athletes to contracts, which further eliminates the viability of the CHL rule.

 

[joecct]

Saw that the NCAA upped the scholarship limits for D1 baseball from 11.7 to 34. Basketball went to 15 and Football to 105.

Will hockey get increased from 18 to hopefully 25-30?

 

[CornellFan13]

Saw that the NCAA upped the scholarship limits for D1 baseball from 11.7 to 34. Basketball went to 15 and Football to 105.

Will hockey get increased from 18 to hopefully 25-30?

I believe the latest NCAA settlement removed all scholarship limits across all sports. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no idea how the vast majority of schools are going to be able to afford awarding additional scholarships. Outside of power 4 football schools, just above every school's athletic department breaks even or operate at a loss. It doesn't make sense where schools would come up with the money, so I would predict removing scholarship limits would not benefit anyone other than perhaps the power 4 schools.

 

[elbojpb]

I believe the latest NCAA settlement removed all scholarship limits across all sports. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The settlement, which has not yet been approved by the court, removed scholarship limits in favor of roster limits. Here is the quote from the NCAA's latest update on the case.

Lastly, scholarship limits will be eliminated in all sports, and roster limits will be established. Institutions have the discretion to offer partial or full scholarships provided they do not exceed the roster limits. This change will allow institutions to provide additional scholarships to student-athletes in the future.

Full article is HERE

 

[ericredaxe]

Saw that the NCAA upped the scholarship limits for D1 baseball from 11.7 to 34. Basketball went to 15 and Football to 105.

Will hockey get increased from 18 to hopefully 25-30?

Be careful what you wish for… as CornellFan referenced, this may not benefit anyone other than revenue generating sports (foot ball and basketball) at the power 4 conferences…. I’d expect to see some men’s programs in Olympic type of sports cut to fund the extra scholarships now needed for football and basketball… might even see some hockey programs go down if they decided they can’t compete with the added scholarships to larger schools..

 

[pdt1081]

Be careful what you wish for… as CornellFan referenced, this may not benefit anyone other than revenue generating sports (foot ball and basketball) at the power 4 conferences…. I’d expect to see some men’s programs in Olympic type of sports cut to fund the extra scholarships now needed for football and basketball… might even see some hockey programs go down if they decided they can’t compete with the added scholarships to larger schools..

It appears schools can choose to "opt out" of the settlement. Would leave things as current for them. Scholarship limits, no roster limit, and no revenue sharing. A lot of your smaller schools are going to stay as current, because there's no revenue to share, and other ways to deal with the scholarship limit.

 

[CornellFan13]

It appears schools can choose to "opt out" of the settlement. Would leave things as current for them. Scholarship limits, no roster limit, and no revenue sharing. A lot of your smaller schools are going to stay as current, because there's no revenue to share, and other ways to deal with the scholarship limit.

Yes, but: how are BU/Denver/NoDak/UMD/etc going to compete with the Big 10 schools now? Are they going to cut "Olympic" sports to pay for it? What about schools like UConn with big-time basketball, how are they going to afford additional scholarships/revenue sharing for their basketball program?

 

[pdt1081]

Yes, but: how are BU/Denver/NoDak/UMD/etc going to compete with the Big 10 schools now? Are they going to cut "Olympic" sports to pay for it? What about schools like UConn with big-time basketball, how are they going to afford additional scholarships/revenue sharing for their basketball program?

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