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Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
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Erix_The_Red
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Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Can someone explain this like I'm an idiot?
What/who is the Power 5?
Whose rule changes? The Power 5's or the NCAA's?
Why wouldn't the rules apply to other schools?
I am very lost.
Can someone explain this like I'm an idiot?
What/who is the Power 5?
Whose rule changes? The Power 5's or the NCAA's?
Why wouldn't the rules apply to other schools?
I am very lost.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Read the article for heaven's sake.
In a nutshell, Power5 or P5 is ACC, B1G, Pac12,Big12, SEC. P5 schools belong to these conferences. They were just granted autonomy and can pay their players stipends now. Nothing is stopping the non-P5s from doing so except P5 schools have all the money from the major television deals they get and the non-P5s will not be able to afford it. So basically, competitive advantage P5.
Read the article for heaven's sake.
In a nutshell, Power5 or P5 is ACC, B1G, Pac12,Big12, SEC. P5 schools belong to these conferences. They were just granted autonomy and can pay their players stipends now. Nothing is stopping the non-P5s from doing so except P5 schools have all the money from the major television deals they get and the non-P5s will not be able to afford it. So basically, competitive advantage P5.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Yale's disadvantage relative to the pre-P5 environment was much greater than a typical non-P5 factory school's disadvantage will be to P5 schools. It will hurt competitiveness, but amateur teams will still be able to win.
Plus it's not like those schools in the grey area don't already bend the rules to the point of breaking, anyway.
Yale's disadvantage relative to the pre-P5 environment was much greater than a typical non-P5 factory school's disadvantage will be to P5 schools. It will hurt competitiveness, but amateur teams will still be able to win.
Plus it's not like those schools in the grey area don't already bend the rules to the point of breaking, anyway.
Erix_The_Red
is filling his stein.
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
This part still confuses me:
Also, granted autonomy by whom? The line "when the new 'Power 5' alignment writes new rules for the nation’s most powerful conferences" makes it sound like they're just making up their own rules.
This is confusing, "USCHO’s Top 20 includes seven programs that play up from lower NCAA divisions, and only one program — the No. 1 Gophers — from the Big Ten." I'm pretty sure everyone in the top 20 is D1
I did, dang it! The article assumes the reader knows a lot of things that I do not. Like, for example, which schools belong to any of those conferences (except the Big 10 hockey schools; I know those).
This part still confuses me:
So if only they got autonomy, but any conference can pay their players (if they can afford it), what difference does "autonomy" make?
Also, granted autonomy by whom? The line "when the new 'Power 5' alignment writes new rules for the nation’s most powerful conferences" makes it sound like they're just making up their own rules.
This is confusing, "USCHO’s Top 20 includes seven programs that play up from lower NCAA divisions, and only one program — the No. 1 Gophers — from the Big Ten." I'm pretty sure everyone in the top 20 is D1
blackswampboy
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Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
The seven in the current rankings that are playing up to DI are St. Cloud (DII), Union (DIII), Michigan Tech (DII), Minn. St. (DII), Ferris (DII), Minn. Duluth (DII), and Northern Mich. (DII).
The seven in the current rankings that are playing up to DI are St. Cloud (DII), Union (DIII), Michigan Tech (DII), Minn. St. (DII), Ferris (DII), Minn. Duluth (DII), and Northern Mich. (DII).
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
As I understand it the Power 5 hockey programs are the six Big 10 schools:
1. Michigan
2. Michigan State
3. Minnesota
4. Ohio State
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
Plus the two Atlantic Coast Conference schools that play hockey:
7. Boston College
8. Notre Dame
I wonder if the changes will also apply to the five schools that have women's hockey programs?
3. Minnesota
4. Ohio State
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
7. Boston College
As I understand it the Power 5 hockey programs are the six Big 10 schools:
1. Michigan
2. Michigan State
3. Minnesota
4. Ohio State
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
Plus the two Atlantic Coast Conference schools that play hockey:
7. Boston College
8. Notre Dame
I wonder if the changes will also apply to the five schools that have women's hockey programs?
3. Minnesota
4. Ohio State
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
7. Boston College
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
D1 in hockey sure, but not other sports. That's what they are referring to. Tech is definitely only D1 in hockey, along with Union, MSU, Ferris, UMD, Robert Morris, and NMU. (That's without looking them up... I think I'm close though.)
D1 in hockey sure, but not other sports. That's what they are referring to. Tech is definitely only D1 in hockey, along with Union, MSU, Ferris, UMD, Robert Morris, and NMU. (That's without looking them up... I think I'm close though.)
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Have to think that this will have a very chilling effect on perhaps 1/2 of current D-1 teams...how do smaller programs that are already having a difficult time competing match up to schools who will now offer 400 a month stipends and scholarships for life....time will indeed tell but it will not take as much time as many here think.
Have to think that this will have a very chilling effect on perhaps 1/2 of current D-1 teams...how do smaller programs that are already having a difficult time competing match up to schools who will now offer 400 a month stipends and scholarships for life....time will indeed tell but it will not take as much time as many here think.
blackswampboy
New member
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
close. swap RMU out for St. Cloud, and you got it.
close. swap RMU out for St. Cloud, and you got it.
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
It's not like the lesser conferences were on any kind of level playing field to begin with, especially in football which is where the real money is. Hockey really is the biggest sport that non P5 teams have consistent chances of winning the title. Basketball has some chances, but the P5 will likely win a lot more often than not there as well.
Nobody is forcing schools to pay the money - only that they can now legally do so.
It's not like the lesser conferences were on any kind of level playing field to begin with, especially in football which is where the real money is. Hockey really is the biggest sport that non P5 teams have consistent chances of winning the title. Basketball has some chances, but the P5 will likely win a lot more often than not there as well.
Nobody is forcing schools to pay the money - only that they can now legally do so.
Fighting Sioux 23
New member
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Agreed.
Keep in mind that basically we're talking solely about the Power 5 (and other schools that can afford to pay the stipend) getting a recruiting edge. How many kids is a school like Ferris State going to normally draw away from a program like Michigan to begin with? My guess is the kid who would normally pick Ferris over Michigan isn't going to change his mind because he can get an extra $5k/year (or whatever the number turns out to be) to go to Ann Arbor. I think this is especially true when you factor in that many kids that play hockey at that level are from families that aren't really struggling too much (and yes, this is a very broad generalization).
The real difference could be if a school like Ferris State pays the stipend where say a school like Lake Superior State does not. The way I see it, this could make a difference if you have two schools (or a group of schools) that battle over the same recruits, and some of this group have the stipend where others don't. Even then, I'm not entirely sold that it will make a big impact in college hockey.
Agreed.
Keep in mind that basically we're talking solely about the Power 5 (and other schools that can afford to pay the stipend) getting a recruiting edge. How many kids is a school like Ferris State going to normally draw away from a program like Michigan to begin with? My guess is the kid who would normally pick Ferris over Michigan isn't going to change his mind because he can get an extra $5k/year (or whatever the number turns out to be) to go to Ann Arbor. I think this is especially true when you factor in that many kids that play hockey at that level are from families that aren't really struggling too much (and yes, this is a very broad generalization).
The real difference could be if a school like Ferris State pays the stipend where say a school like Lake Superior State does not. The way I see it, this could make a difference if you have two schools (or a group of schools) that battle over the same recruits, and some of this group have the stipend where others don't. Even then, I'm not entirely sold that it will make a big impact in college hockey.
Critical Thinker
Lady of the Lake, Sword Distributor
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
If the B1G did get to play by different rules to attract better players, and then won more games, wouldn't that give more parity to college hockey?
If the B1G did get to play by different rules to attract better players, and then won more games, wouldn't that give more parity to college hockey?
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
I think the changes might kill the parity. Look at what the billions in Big 10 network dollars did. It took a bunch of great schools and turned them into the AHA-midwest. College hockey west of Pennsylvania used to have great parity. Now we have a conference that is collectively batting about .333 when they don't play the AHA.
I think the changes might kill the parity. Look at what the billions in Big 10 network dollars did. It took a bunch of great schools and turned them into the AHA-midwest. College hockey west of Pennsylvania used to have great parity. Now we have a conference that is collectively batting about .333 when they don't play the AHA.
Re: Will 'Power 5' changes kill college hockey's parity?
Nicely crafted and well executed.
Made me LOL.
Nicely crafted and well executed.