This is why I am not a big fan of "professional" hockey. People that make it up to the AHL level should know better.
http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/3079/3079/
http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/3079/3079/
USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
The cheapest of cheap shots
- Thread starter jericho
- Start date
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
check the comments to the right, they include a different angle that makes it look even worse, hopefully this link works
http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/another-view-of-the-blanchard-maroon-incident/3084/
check the comments to the right, they include a different angle that makes it look even worse, hopefully this link works
http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/another-view-of-the-blanchard-maroon-incident/3084/
The Paragon of Virtue
Captain Ressentiment
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
Well, you see, the first two of his teammates needed protection from that lone opposing player.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
I think there are some valid arguments for allowing fighting in college hockey.
Fighting is a part of the game at most elite levels. Coming in as the fourth guy in a fight and nailing someone to the boards from behind is not. Some of the comments on the paper's website are a little annoying. It's not as if this happens every single game. This guy definitely deserves a multiple game suspension, but it was an exception, not the norm.
I think there are some valid arguments for allowing fighting in college hockey.
Fighting is a part of the game at most elite levels. Coming in as the fourth guy in a fight and nailing someone to the boards from behind is not. Some of the comments on the paper's website are a little annoying. It's not as if this happens every single game. This guy definitely deserves a multiple game suspension, but it was an exception, not the norm.
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
You can have your choice: fighting or stick work. You can't eliminate them both. I'd rather have them punching each other in the face than carving them up with the sticks.
As for the hit, I wouldn't do the assualt charge, but he'd be in a suit and tie during the games for a long while.
You can have your choice: fighting or stick work. You can't eliminate them both. I'd rather have them punching each other in the face than carving them up with the sticks.
As for the hit, I wouldn't do the assualt charge, but he'd be in a suit and tie during the games for a long while.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
I see this as multiple elbows to the head, not punching.
I love hockey, and prefer college hockey for many reasons, including the absence of scrums and this kind of stuff after every other whistle.
they could stop it, the game would still be exciting and there would be fewer Bertuzzi incidents...it's not like the game is thriving in its current mindset...young kids aren't allowed to fight, college players can't fight...so how is fighting part of the game?...it is something that gets introduced once they are > 18 years old...it isn't part of the game...it is an add-on. (edit: it isn't part of the olympics, I assume it isn't part of the game in Finland, Sweden etc. but I don't watch any of their professional leagues is this solely an American feature?)
maybe it was an extension of fistfights on frozen ponds back in the day but kids today aren't allowed to fight anywhere...if I got in a fight at school they told you to knock it off and clean the chalkboard, now you'd get arrested for assault. So fighting isn't part of the players lives until they get into professional hockey where a 'promoter' tells them that fans want to see fighting and it is part of the game and it can help you stick on as every team needs a few goons.
{steps off soap box}
I see this as multiple elbows to the head, not punching.
I love hockey, and prefer college hockey for many reasons, including the absence of scrums and this kind of stuff after every other whistle.
they could stop it, the game would still be exciting and there would be fewer Bertuzzi incidents...it's not like the game is thriving in its current mindset...young kids aren't allowed to fight, college players can't fight...so how is fighting part of the game?...it is something that gets introduced once they are > 18 years old...it isn't part of the game...it is an add-on. (edit: it isn't part of the olympics, I assume it isn't part of the game in Finland, Sweden etc. but I don't watch any of their professional leagues is this solely an American feature?)
maybe it was an extension of fistfights on frozen ponds back in the day but kids today aren't allowed to fight anywhere...if I got in a fight at school they told you to knock it off and clean the chalkboard, now you'd get arrested for assault. So fighting isn't part of the players lives until they get into professional hockey where a 'promoter' tells them that fans want to see fighting and it is part of the game and it can help you stick on as every team needs a few goons.
{steps off soap box}
Last edited:
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
I think fighting has a place in the game, fighting....as in two guys throwing some punches. This incident is stupidity, not fighting. It was cheap shot by a brainless goon.
As far as legal charges, that's a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. This incident should be handled by the league and handled harshly....as in months suspension.
The skrimishes after the whistle are what need to be cleaned up. Whistle is blown play is dead, and the leagues and refs need to start making sure play ends there.
JMO
I think fighting has a place in the game, fighting....as in two guys throwing some punches. This incident is stupidity, not fighting. It was cheap shot by a brainless goon.
As far as legal charges, that's a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. This incident should be handled by the league and handled harshly....as in months suspension.
The skrimishes after the whistle are what need to be cleaned up. Whistle is blown play is dead, and the leagues and refs need to start making sure play ends there.
JMO
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
I can't speak for Finland, Sweden, etc. but I do know in the Russian leagues fighting is common. As it is in the QMJHL, OHL, WHL, and every "major" league in America.
Personally, I hate fighting in hockey. I much prefer the Olympic style and the college game. While I don't think the dude needs to be in jail or have assault charges against him, a lengthy suspension, possibly for the year, should be in order.
I can't speak for Finland, Sweden, etc. but I do know in the Russian leagues fighting is common. As it is in the QMJHL, OHL, WHL, and every "major" league in America.
Personally, I hate fighting in hockey. I much prefer the Olympic style and the college game. While I don't think the dude needs to be in jail or have assault charges against him, a lengthy suspension, possibly for the year, should be in order.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
And I was wondering why a Sioux thread was in Cafe instead of DI.
Oh, I thought this thread was about the USCHO Poster's Game in Denver when shrader took the wicked two-handed slash across the back.
And I was wondering why a Sioux thread was in Cafe instead of DI.
Baltimore Islanders
Hockey Arena USA U20 Promotions = 3
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
This is what I tell anti-fighting people in hockey. Anyone, I mean anyone, who has played even spirited pickup hockey SHOULD be able to appreciate this.
This guy should be suspended hardcore though, they are absolutely right, this is assault. I wouldn't go so far as criminal charges, but perhaps a rest of a season suspension would send the correct message across here.
This is what I tell anti-fighting people in hockey. Anyone, I mean anyone, who has played even spirited pickup hockey SHOULD be able to appreciate this.
This guy should be suspended hardcore though, they are absolutely right, this is assault. I wouldn't go so far as criminal charges, but perhaps a rest of a season suspension would send the correct message across here.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
And I was wondering why a Sioux thread was in Cafe instead of DI.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
If I digress, I apologize. But never having played the game though a long time fan, what is it about hockey that makes fighting acceptable? Is it "tradition" or is there something about the basic history and origins of the game? I'm thinking of it in comparison with other mainstream sports in the N. America such as MLB where any kind of fight is noteworthy only because of its rarity and usual comedic overtones. I'm not necessarily against fighting, just trying to figure it out.
If I digress, I apologize. But never having played the game though a long time fan, what is it about hockey that makes fighting acceptable? Is it "tradition" or is there something about the basic history and origins of the game? I'm thinking of it in comparison with other mainstream sports in the N. America such as MLB where any kind of fight is noteworthy only because of its rarity and usual comedic overtones. I'm not necessarily against fighting, just trying to figure it out.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
For one, it allows the players an avenue to police themselves and not allow things to escalate beyond control, because referees cannot catch everything. That's the kind of fighting I'm OK with (and wish college had sometimes). As Hammer said, I'd rather have guys punch each other than start taking hacks at knees or heads with sticks because they can't fight.
For one, it allows the players an avenue to police themselves and not allow things to escalate beyond control, because referees cannot catch everything. That's the kind of fighting I'm OK with (and wish college had sometimes). As Hammer said, I'd rather have guys punch each other than start taking hacks at knees or heads with sticks because they can't fight.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
Blanchard has been suspended indefinitely by the league. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=883764
Apparantly, the comment I made on there got this one guy all fired up.
Blanchard has been suspended indefinitely by the league. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=883764
Apparantly, the comment I made on there got this one guy all fired up.
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
GOldy - You want Sioux?
Check it out. Blanchard has a rep... he's a repeat offender after he was suspended for an illegal hit on former Sioux Matt Smaby.
So, there ya go.
As for Blanchard - The key to this hit was that he was the THIRD guy in on the scrum. Maroon was already roughing it up with another River Rat player at the time and had his back to Blanchard when Blanchard took a run at him.
Lesson to be learned:
1. AHL should come down HEAVY on Blanchard because he's a repeat offender but also because this was WELL after the whistle and WHOLLY unnecessary.
2. Every player in hockey needs to be trained not to turn into the boards unless absolutely necessary and, if they do, they should try to get out of it asap or prepare to get hit. Same thing with skating through the middle of the ice with your head down.
I'd like to see a Steve Downie type suspension... 20 games or so.
And I was wondering why a Sioux thread was in Cafe instead of DI.
Blanchard has been suspended indefinitely by the league. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=883764
Apparantly, the comment I made on there got this one guy all fired up.
GOldy - You want Sioux?
Check it out. Blanchard has a rep... he's a repeat offender after he was suspended for an illegal hit on former Sioux Matt Smaby.
So, there ya go.
As for Blanchard - The key to this hit was that he was the THIRD guy in on the scrum. Maroon was already roughing it up with another River Rat player at the time and had his back to Blanchard when Blanchard took a run at him.
Lesson to be learned:
1. AHL should come down HEAVY on Blanchard because he's a repeat offender but also because this was WELL after the whistle and WHOLLY unnecessary.
2. Every player in hockey needs to be trained not to turn into the boards unless absolutely necessary and, if they do, they should try to get out of it asap or prepare to get hit. Same thing with skating through the middle of the ice with your head down.
I'd like to see a Steve Downie type suspension... 20 games or so.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: The cheapest of cheap shots
I'm sorry, why is this thread about fighting? I thought it was about a filthy full on elbow lead charge into the boards at a guy's head?
I'm sorry, why is this thread about fighting? I thought it was about a filthy full on elbow lead charge into the boards at a guy's head?