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Syracuse Orange-It's time for a Coaching Change

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Raider1

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After 11 years of leading the program, is it time for a change?
It is nice that the program finally won the CHA, but unfortunately the team did not have a single win outside of the CHA...
The team finished 13-22-3, how much longer will the school accept mediocrity with the investment they have made?
 
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Raider1 said:
After 11 years of leading the program, is it time for a change?
It is nice that the program finally won the CHA, but unfortunately the team did not have a single win outside of the CHA...
The team finished 13-22-3, how much longer will the school accept mediocrity with the investment they have made?
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Isn't Syracuse the only school that has a D1 women's team but no men's team? Might that have any bearing on the AD possibly having more patience with the coaching situation than what would otherwise be the case?
 
Raider1 said:
After 11 years of leading the program, is it time for a change?
It is nice that the program finally won the CHA, but unfortunately the team did not have a single win outside of the CHA...
The team finished 13-22-3, how much longer will the school accept mediocrity with the investment they have made?
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Assistants jumping ship to be another assistant is usually a tell. But, I think he saved his job and Eastwood and Hoppner have one more year. His best move may have been bringing in Hoppner.
 
Reddington said:
Assistants jumping ship to be another assistant is usually a tell. But, I think he saved his job and Eastwood and Hoppner have one more year. His best move may have been bringing in Hoppner.
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The 8th and 9th place scorers on the team?! I totally don't understand what you're saying. And Hoppner was a transfer so officially he didn't bring her in. Eastwood is a captain so I guess you're saying she's a good leader. Plus the way you wrote your post you made it read like Eastwood and Hoppner were his assistant coaches with another year left on their contract. Weird post overall.

The top 2 scorers are Seniors so that's always tough to replace and the goalie with the most playing time is also a Senior even though her stats show her as the 2nd best goalie this season so kind of weird that she got that much more playing time over the goalie with better stats. Maybe a loyalty thing there but if you think your job is on the line I'd think you would want to play the better goalie more often regardless of class year.
 
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shelfit said:
... and the goalie with the most playing time is also a Senior even though her stats show her as the 2nd best goalie this season so kind of weird that she got that much more playing time over the goalie with better stats. Maybe a loyalty thing there but if you think your job is on the line I'd think you would want to play the better goalie more often regardless of class year.
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The senior, Welch, played much more in the early part of the season, much of it against the much tougher non-conference schedule; the junior, Cohen, played primarily if not quite exclusively against CHA teams. Yes, there's a bit of 'chicken or egg' logic to that point, but Cohen numbers weren't all that much better than Welch's.
 
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BC men had an abysmal OOC record too, and they just signed the coach to an extension.
 
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robertearle said:
The senior, Welch, played much more in the early part of the season, much of it against the much tougher non-conference schedule; the junior, Cohen, played primarily if not quite exclusively against CHA teams. Yes, there's a bit of 'chicken or egg' logic to that point, but Cohen numbers weren't all that much better than Welch's.
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I thought Cohen played very solidly against UW last week. She wasn't going down on every save like some to and then get beat high. UW shelled Welsh earlier in the year.
 
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I have read in the past the Syracuse's hockey budget is about $2.5 Million Dollars which is only behind Wisconsin slightly, it seems like by now the program should be further ahead, it looks like it has gone backwards?
Other programs have changed their Coaches and it seems like it has energized the programs?
 
Re: Syracuse Orange-It's time for a Coaching Change

Raider1 said:
After 11 years of leading the program, is it time for a change?
It is nice that the program finally won the CHA, but unfortunately the team did not have a single win outside of the CHA...
The team finished 13-22-3, how much longer will the school accept mediocrity with the investment they have made?
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While you may be correct in that an 0-11-2 non conference record doesn't really look like much on the surface, when we take the time to look a little deeper we see some very interesting facts that speak volumes about the character of this coach. Of those 13 non conference games, 10 were against nationally ranked teams and one was against a team that should have been ranked (but we all know how that works). I will not get into program bashing here , however , with that said, I think we could all come up with a non conference schedule for Syracuse (without naming names) where they could have been 11-1-1 or better in non conference play. Flanagan could have done that also but he didn't because in his own words "You don't get better by playing weak teams". By playing the schedule they played, by the end of this most recent season, they won their first ever conference championship, and held their own against the top team in the nation. I venture to say that , had they been 11-1-1 in non conference play , they would have been knocked out of the 1st round of the CHA Tournament .
 
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cabguy said:
While you may be correct in that an 0-11-2 non conference record doesn't really look like much on the surface, when we take the time to look a little deeper we see some very interesting facts that speak volumes about the character of this coach. Of those 13 non conference games, 10 were against nationally ranked teams and one was against a team that should have been ranked (but we all know how that works). I will not get into program bashing here , however , with that said, I think we could all come up with a non conference schedule for Syracuse (without naming names) where they could have been 11-1-1 or better in non conference play. Flanagan could have done that also but he didn't because in his own words "You don't get better by playing weak teams". By playing the schedule they played, by the end of this most recent season, they won their first ever conference championship, and held their own against the top team in the nation. I venture to say that , had they been 11-1-1 in non conference play , they would have been knocked out of the 1st round of the CHA Tournament .
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aka-it's kind of weird isn't it calling for the coaches head after winning the conference tournament and going to the NCAA tourney for the first time?
 
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Raider1 said:
I have read in the past the Syracuse's hockey budget is about $2.5 Million Dollars which is only behind Wisconsin slightly, it seems like by now the program should be further ahead, it looks like it has gone backwards?
Other programs have changed their Coaches and it seems like it has energized the programs?
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IMHO, recruiting will always be the # 1 challenge for this program. They could go ahead and can the coach and replace him with the reincarnation of Hobey Baker, Mother Theresa or even the Virgin Mary and they would have no more recruiting success than the current coach because , at some point in the recruiting process, the recruit will make a school visit and get a good look at the glorified outhouse that S.U. calls a rink and , at that very point, it's game over. Syracuse University offers a top notch, world class education but, so do any number of other schools with a hellovalot nicer rinks. Why would any top recruit choose to play their collage hockey in an outhouse like Tennity , when they can get the same education and play in a cathedral like some other schools offer ? As long as S.U. plays it's home games in Tennity, the situation will not change much and changing coaches will not change the Rink.
 
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