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St. Cloud State coaching opening

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When these vacancies happen I always worry about Koch or Crum leaving. Crum leaving would be a surprise with the baby and a relatively young marriage. Koch has been the associate head coach for some time, but I guess he's bidding his time to take the reigns @ UW, or at least get the chance to.

I wonder if our favorite x dwaugette would throw her hat in the ring? She may be worth the risk to St. Cloud for the chance to move up the ladder, they really have nothing to lose.
 
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Timothy A said:
I wonder if our favorite x dwaugette would throw her hat in the ring? She may be worth the risk to St. Cloud for the chance to move up the ladder, they really have nothing to lose.
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naw, with her success in that Canadian lesbian league she's got her eye on an NHL job
 
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Idalski was one of the better coaches to interview, so I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the WCHA.
 
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It would be great to see him back in the conference and who knows, maybe Peter Elander would join him!
 
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Whoever they hire is going to have to be a magician when it comes to recruiting. It is very tough to get girls to go to school there. The facilities are nice enough and the school is good but most girls who go to USA National Camp there cannot wait to leave and cannot envision themselves playing there for four years. The last few Coaches, Rud included will probably attest to that. The biggest draw to St. Cloud for women is the conference.
 
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Puckdrop14 said:
It would be great to see him back in the conference and who knows, maybe Peter Elander would join him!
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Could Elander be a head coach candidate? Wasn't he with Muzzy one yr @ OSU?

The Idalski/Elander duo would be very interesting. St. Cloud has a lot more to offer recruits than Grand Forks and with the history of those 2 in sueland they may be a draw for some better talent, seems like a lot of very good talent heads east from MN.
 
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Anybody who thinks that St Cloud or Mankato cannot be competitive because of their location or facilities will have to figure out how to explain the success of the men's programs at those two schools (regular season success anyway). The right coach can turn a program around and get players to want to come there.

Recall that UND won 3 games the year prior to Idalski taking over. Now, it may be that the arrival of the Lams had a little to do with that turnaround, but he kept it going even after they left. I guess you could say that only the Board of Regents can stop Brian Idalski.

The new recruiting landscape in women's hockey (can't start recruiting until they are a HS junior, but you don't stop recruiting until they are a college senior) will help level the field for the next SCSU coach.
 
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Leather helmet said:
Anybody who thinks that St Cloud or Mankato cannot be competitive because of their location or facilities will have to figure out how to explain the success of the men's programs at those two schools (regular season success anyway). The right coach can turn a program around and get players to want to come there.
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The men's game has some key differences.

The talent pool is deeper on the men's side to start with. Then you add in juniors, and players who aren't set to be impact players coming out of HS are different people by the time they suit up for the first time in NCAAs. If you lose a recruiting battle for a truly elite player in the men's game, it will only impact you for one year, because that player is gone to the NHL after that anyway. On the women's side, you're still feeling the effects five years later after an Olympic-year sabbatical somewhere along the line.

For a St. Cloud State or Mankato, there is a big uphill climb in their league. Wisconsin and Minnesota are going to get players. Do you think that the right coach is going to be able to win enough recruiting battles against those teams to put a better team on the ice? Ohio State and UMD have advantages as well, and you'll have to recruit like crazy just to get close to those teams in terms of a roster. You've also got an overachieving Bemidji State to deal with. Even if you can attract some very high-end players, it will still take time, particularly right now when many of the kids who just started HS are already spoken for.

St. Cloud has a better location than Grand Forks, but overall, I think that UND's situation was more conducive to winning, with a better school and a better rink. SCSU and MSU have won games on the men's side, but UND has a much longer tradition of winning there as well.

While many of us don't want a Big Ten women's league, it might not be the worst thing for SCSU or MSU. At least they could then have a hope of reaching a conference final once in a while. Neither came close to doing so in the first 20 years on the women's side.
 
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ARM said:
The men's game has some key differences.

The talent pool is deeper on the men's side to start with. Then you add in juniors, and players who aren't set to be impact players coming out of HS are different people by the time they suit up for the first time in NCAAs. If you lose a recruiting battle for a truly elite player in the men's game, it will only impact you for one year, because that player is gone to the NHL after that anyway. On the women's side, you're still feeling the effects five years later after an Olympic-year sabbatical somewhere along the line.

For a St. Cloud State or Mankato, there is a big uphill climb in their league. Wisconsin and Minnesota are going to get players. Do you think that the right coach is going to be able to win enough recruiting battles against those teams to put a better team on the ice? Ohio State and UMD have advantages as well, and you'll have to recruit like crazy just to get close to those teams in terms of a roster. You've also got an overachieving Bemidji State to deal with. Even if you can attract some very high-end players, it will still take time, particularly right now when many of the kids who just started HS are already spoken for.

St. Cloud has a better location than Grand Forks, but overall, I think that UND's situation was more conducive to winning, with a better school and a better rink. SCSU and MSU have won games on the men's side, but UND has a much longer tradition of winning there as well.

While many of us don't want a Big Ten women's league, it might not be the worst thing for SCSU or MSU. At least they could then have a hope of reaching a conference final once in a while. Neither came close to doing so in the first 20 years on the women's side.
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I stand by my post, as a careful reading just says that someone will have to figure out how the MSU and SCSU men's programs succeed with their locations/facilities. You have done that; ergo Q.E.D.
 
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ARM said:
The men's game has some key differences.

The talent pool is deeper on the men's side to start with. Then you add in juniors, and players who aren't set to be impact players coming out of HS are different people by the time they suit up for the first time in NCAAs. If you lose a recruiting battle for a truly elite player in the men's game, it will only impact you for one year, because that player is gone to the NHL after that anyway. On the women's side, you're still feeling the effects five years later after an Olympic-year sabbatical somewhere along the line.

For a St. Cloud State or Mankato, there is a big uphill climb in their league. Wisconsin and Minnesota are going to get players. Do you think that the right coach is going to be able to win enough recruiting battles against those teams to put a better team on the ice? Ohio State and UMD have advantages as well, and you'll have to recruit like crazy just to get close to those teams in terms of a roster. You've also got an overachieving Bemidji State to deal with. Even if you can attract some very high-end players, it will still take time, particularly right now when many of the kids who just started HS are already spoken for.

St. Cloud has a better location than Grand Forks, but overall, I think that UND's situation was more conducive to winning, with a better school and a better rink. SCSU and MSU have won games on the men's side, but UND has a much longer tradition of winning there as well.

While many of us don't want a Big Ten women's league, it might not be the worst thing for SCSU or MSU. At least they could then have a hope of reaching a conference final once in a while. Neither came close to doing so in the first 20 years on the women's side.
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nice counterpoint, but for the women the pinnacle is an NCAA championship and if the hockey gods really shine on them Olympic Gold so they go where the chance of that happening is best

for the men it can be better to be the team stud on a lowly team and get lots of special team play to boost your stats and be noticed rather than a second or third line player at one of the top schools,

college hockey is just a stepping stone for the men, for the women that's all there is so of course that's where they go for the brass ring
 
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