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Polls of 1/13

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admiral0417

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I wonder how Adrian gets away with tying a 3-9 St. Olaf team and feels no impact from it in the most recent poll. In fact, the #1, #2 & #4 teams all had ties this past weekend.......and had no ill effects in the poll. The only team in the top 4 that "took care of business" (Plattsburgh)by winning both their games.....you guessed it, lost ground to the others ??? Stevens-Point even took their lone 1st place vote away !!! Western bias ??

P.S. Please spare the "these polls don't mean a thing till February" or "who cares about the polls until blah-blah".....it's just conversation.
 
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admiral0417 said:
I wonder how Adrian gets away with tying a 3-9 St. Olaf team and feels no impact from it in the most recent poll. In fact, the #1, #2 & #4 teams all had ties this past weekend.......and had no ill effects in the poll. The only team in the top 4 that "took care of business" (Plattsburgh)by winning both their games.....you guessed it, lost ground to the others ??? Stevens-Point even took their lone 1st place vote away !!! Western bias ??

P.S. Please spare the "these polls don't mean a thing till February" or "who cares about the polls until blah-blah".....it's just conversation.
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How about you put your ballot out there............... and maybe then we can have a conversation ??

I suspect that a record with no losses would have something to do with Adrian's placement in the poll.
 
admiral0417 said:
I wonder how Adrian gets away with tying a 3-9 St. Olaf team and feels no impact from it in the most recent poll. In fact, the #1, #2 & #4 teams all had ties this past weekend.......and had no ill effects in the poll. The only team in the top 4 that "took care of business" (Plattsburgh)by winning both their games.....you guessed it, lost ground to the others ??? Stevens-Point even took their lone 1st place vote away !!! Western bias ??

P.S. Please spare the "these polls don't mean a thing till February" or "who cares about the polls until blah-blah".....it's just conversation.
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Oswego moved up to 10th, I'm ok with that, should we be higher than Utica? Hard to say.
 
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admiral0417 said:
I wonder how Adrian gets away with tying a 3-9 St. Olaf team and feels no impact from it in the most recent poll. In fact, the #1, #2 & #4 teams all had ties this past weekend.......and had no ill effects in the poll. The only team in the top 4 that "took care of business" (Plattsburgh)by winning both their games.....you guessed it, lost ground to the others ??? Stevens-Point even took their lone 1st place vote away !!! Western bias ??

P.S. Please spare the "these polls don't mean a thing till February" or "who cares about the polls until blah-blah".....it's just conversation.
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What conversation? All I see is a bunch of whining.
 
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I thought Stevens Point would split #1 with Adrian this week. Curious to see NUProf's computer rankings on these two
 
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NorthernLite said:
How about you put your ballot out there............... and maybe then we can have a conversation ??

I suspect that a record with no losses would have something to do with Adrian's placement in the poll.
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My top 4 would remain the same....it's just a little puzzling how sometimes teams will get away with one. No hostile intent. Adrian deserves #1 , but polls should punish as well as reward. A tie to a club like St. Olaf should be recognized, not ignored. Additionally, I'm puzzled how Plattsburgh loses a bit of ground when all around them tied or lost ??
 
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For Point, it could be argued that a tie to St. Norbert is better than a 1 goal victory over Skidmore.

For St. Norbert, a victory over River Falls and a tie to Point could also look better than a 1-goal victory over Skidmore.

For Adrian, having that zero in the loss column is very persuasive to voters that gloss over their ballot (not saying that's right or wrong).
 
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Are we not counting the 6-1 shellacking of Castleton ??


Ozz said:
For Point, it could be argued that a tie to St. Norbert is better than a 1 goal victory over Skidmore.

For St. Norbert, a victory over River Falls and a tie to Point could also look better than a 1-goal victory over Skidmore.

For Adrian, having that zero in the loss column is very persuasive to voters that gloss over their ballot (not saying that's right or wrong).
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Adrian has beaten Plattsburgh's common opponents 22-8 compared to Plattsburgh 9-5 (granted Adrian has 1 more game)....

Adrian has 0 loses, beats losing to a .500 Hobart team...

UWSP is 2-0-1 vs. ranked teams, Plattsburgh is 1-0-1 vs. Ranked teams....

UWSP tie to SNC is better then a 1-1 tie vs. Buff State....

SNC is 4-1-1 vs. ranked teams...

SNC's 1 loss to Lawrence is the only thing saving Plattsburgh from dropping another spot.....

UWS is in the toilet, Middlebury is struggling, Buff State is not doing well, Hamilton is 3-7-1, .....who has Plattsburgh played to even think about moving them up against those other kind of records....?

This week
Plattsburgh plays at #5 Norwich, at Middlebury, and at #12 Williams
Adrian plays host to two games against #15 CSS
UWSP plays two games at #14 UW River Falls
SNC plays two games against 8-4-3 Concordia Wi

Could be some massive changes in the top half of the poll by Sunday.
 
Ozz said:
Even with that, still (can be argued) not as impressive as the other 'weekend resumes'.

We can even throw in Point's 'shellacking' of Lawrence.
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I don' t think St Olaf has a very good Resume, but honestly I agree with the current polls as they stand. Plattsburgh needs to turn up the intensity and tomorrow will help tell the story!
 
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Birdwatcher said:
I don' t think St Olaf has a very good Resume, but honestly I agree with the current polls as they stand. Plattsburgh needs to turn up the intensity and tomorrow will help tell the story!
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Agreed...I think there are some voters that as long as there is a zero in the loss column, then that will be their first-place vote.
 
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Plattsburgh has by far the toughest schedule this week. We'll know more after that. If the Cards can keep it at one loss for the season then ???

Don't care that Adrian has scored more goals against common opponents (Fredonia and Buffalo)

Yes, Adrian has 0 losses....which is the reason they're #1. Never said the Cards should be ahead of them.

All of those records vs. ranked are pretty good....let the Cards play a few more and we'll see. Is 2-0-1 really meaningfully better than 1-0-1 ?? Come on.

Tying Oswego isn't a BAD tie, is it?

AND, Plattsburgh's one loss to Hobart is the ONLY thing keeping Adrian at #1
 
admiral0417 said:
Plattsburgh has by far the toughest schedule this week. We'll know more after thats can keep it at one loss for the season then ???
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Agree, if Plattsburgh can come out with a 0 in the loss column they get put right back up there as one of the teams to beat even more than they already are.

admiral0417 said:
Don't care that Adrian has scored more goals against common opponents (Fredonia and Buffalo)
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You may not, but pollsters do, and those unlike your opinion are the only ones that matter in the polls...

admiral0417 said:
Yes, Adrian has 0 losses....which is the reason they're #1. Never said the Cards should be ahead of them.
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By your complaining I wonder....keep in mind too with Geneseo getting shalacked by Elmira and Middlebury taking yet another on the chin, it makes those "good" wins that much less...another reason to lose points...

admiral0417 said:
All of those records vs. ranked are pretty good....let the Cards play a few more and we'll see. Is 2-0-1 really meaningfully better than 1-0-1 ?? Come on.
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Exactly...you're complaining about rankings and number of votes yet agree Plattsburgh needs to play more ranked teams...you been chilling with Fish?

admiral0417 said:
Tying Oswego isn't a BAD tie, is it?
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At the time was it? Debatable. But it's looking better. Is it better than tieing the #4 and or #2 team?

admiral0417 said:
AND, Plattsburgh's one loss to Hobart is the ONLY thing keeping Adrian at #1
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Again, debatable. With Adrian having not just 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 common opponent games of which they dominated each Plattsburgh has that tie with Buff State. So Adrian wins common opponents. Is a 6-7-3 (5 ranked games) Buff State tie with 1 tie vs ranked teams better then a 3-6-3 (6 ranked games) St.Olaf team who has 2 ties vs ranked teams?

Both sides have an argument that would make both sides right. Unfortunately Plattsburgh has laid the latest egg in the "loss" column. 2 wins against ranked teams and an up and down Middlebury team would really put some pressure on things.

6 years ago with the schedule Adrian was playing a hicup like a tie with St.Olaf would plummet them. Playing/beating common opponents (and easily) along with an upgraded MCHA/NCHA Adrian deserves where they are.

Same with UWSP and Plattsburgh, period
 
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Agree. It's too bad Plattsburgh got "Kevin Carr-ed" I dare say he would've tied or beat any team that night. He didn't vs. Adrian though. Hobart is a real good team from what I saw (2 games). Perhaps they played their best game of the year against Plattsburgh?? At any rate, and most importantly, the Cards hold serve in the East for now. The SOS will bump up shortly and hopefully the wins pile up. With 10 to play, I'd hope for 7 or 8 W's.
 
OSU2010 said:
Oswego moved up to 10th, I'm ok with that, should we be higher than Utica? Hard to say.
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The "other site" hates us less, put us @ #7. Maybe the large contingent of Oswego posters should move over there...better yet, go to whatever site ranks us higher any particular week. We could be number 1 in a matter of weeks.....!
 
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