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pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
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Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
correct. and it may be a bit difficult for bemidji to reach the 10 game mark, so the cop number is going to be critically important for miami in that pair.
correct. and it may be a bit difficult for bemidji to reach the 10 game mark, so the cop number is going to be critically important for miami in that pair.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
I will say this: any PWR question, direct it to Bakunin. He's one of those guys who can calculate the "rankings" in his head as the results of the games come in, come crunch time.
I will say this: any PWR question, direct it to Bakunin. He's one of those guys who can calculate the "rankings" in his head as the results of the games come in, come crunch time.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
Brent: I'm not as up on the pairwise as I used to be - about all I can say now is that the WCHA is very likely to get five teams into the tournament due to their non-conference record this season. Whether or not the conference manages to get six into the field will depend on whether or not a bubble team can make some noise in the playoffs again like UMD did last season.
The question hit two pipes before bouncing out.
Brent: I'm not as up on the pairwise as I used to be - about all I can say now is that the WCHA is very likely to get five teams into the tournament due to their non-conference record this season. Whether or not the conference manages to get six into the field will depend on whether or not a bubble team can make some noise in the playoffs again like UMD did last season.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
And all I'm saying is that it's JANUARY and you already have this figured out.
And all I'm saying is that it's JANUARY and you already have this figured out.
beaverhockey
Registered User
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
wrong...the pairwise took out the "penalty" for beating a "poor" team. So as long as a team keeps winning...they will stay high in the pairwise. But, a loss to a ""poor" team (like BSU's loss at Niagara Friday night) will drop you a long ways (#4 to #11) in the Pairwise.
wrong...the pairwise took out the "penalty" for beating a "poor" team. So as long as a team keeps winning...they will stay high in the pairwise. But, a loss to a ""poor" team (like BSU's loss at Niagara Friday night) will drop you a long ways (#4 to #11) in the Pairwise.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
its only done on a one-off basis. BSU plays too many "poor" teams and they don't have a good enough record to have those teams dumped away. That's what I recall as principle, I don't know what the current RPI looks like and how many teams have been off-loaded.
its only done on a one-off basis. BSU plays too many "poor" teams and they don't have a good enough record to have those teams dumped away. That's what I recall as principle, I don't know what the current RPI looks like and how many teams have been off-loaded.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
not true, the only thing "playing a poor schedule" will affect is RPI, which miami already leads. if bemidji doesnt reach 10 tuc's, the stat is just thrown out and no point is awarded. the sweep by rmu is hurting miami big time right now and they need to root for them to get a W or two vs bemidji to even out cop.
not true, the only thing "playing a poor schedule" will affect is RPI, which miami already leads. if bemidji doesnt reach 10 tuc's, the stat is just thrown out and no point is awarded. the sweep by rmu is hurting miami big time right now and they need to root for them to get a W or two vs bemidji to even out cop.
Puck Swami
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Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20100119/hl_hsn/monkeybrainhardwiredforsimplemath
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20100119/hl_hsn/monkeybrainhardwiredforsimplemath
dggoddard
New member
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
So what you're saying is that Scooby may or may not be a monkey.
beersong
GO DOGS!
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
PWR people humor me a bit here...
So if Bemidji's RPI continues to fall (they have no remaining games vs TUCs after this weekend), and they never get to the 10 game TUC plateau, then BSU would need to win both the common opponent and head-to-head categories to win a comparison? One step further, after this weekend their head-to-head category will be set for the remainder of the season will it not?
PWR people humor me a bit here...
So if Bemidji's RPI continues to fall (they have no remaining games vs TUCs after this weekend), and they never get to the 10 game TUC plateau, then BSU would need to win both the common opponent and head-to-head categories to win a comparison? One step further, after this weekend their head-to-head category will be set for the remainder of the season will it not?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
So what you're saying is that Scooby may or may not be a monkey.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
Sounds about right... BUT... they would anyways as the RPI breaks all ties. The big difference would be in those cases where Bemidji is even before the RPI breaker (say they split a weekend and then win CoP but not RPI) then the TUC could have had an impact.
So, they'd lose any and all 1-2 cases against higher RPI teams regardless.
The idea is that you don't want a team going 1-0 against TUC teams and winning that category for nearly all those games (save the team they beat). With CoP that shifts from team to team involved in the pair.
Sounds about right... BUT... they would anyways as the RPI breaks all ties. The big difference would be in those cases where Bemidji is even before the RPI breaker (say they split a weekend and then win CoP but not RPI) then the TUC could have had an impact.
So, they'd lose any and all 1-2 cases against higher RPI teams regardless.
The idea is that you don't want a team going 1-0 against TUC teams and winning that category for nearly all those games (save the team they beat). With CoP that shifts from team to team involved in the pair.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
Well, remember that the TUCs can change. Right now, Bemidji has quite a few opponents hovering around the threshold (top 25 of RPI).
#21 Minnesota
#23 Northern Michigan
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#26 Minnesota State
#31 Ohio State
#32 Nebraska Omaha
Now, doing the math earlier in the season, BSU needs pretty much all of those teams in the top 25 to get them all as TUCs and get over the minimum of 10 games. The odds of that happening are remote, but the composition of the TUCs could change, thus BSU's record head to head with some of those teams could change. Say UNO sweeps BSU, that would give them a 2-0 h2h advantage, making the RPI and COp comparisons far more interesting and relevant.
Well, remember that the TUCs can change. Right now, Bemidji has quite a few opponents hovering around the threshold (top 25 of RPI).
#21 Minnesota
#23 Northern Michigan
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#26 Minnesota State
#31 Ohio State
#32 Nebraska Omaha
Now, doing the math earlier in the season, BSU needs pretty much all of those teams in the top 25 to get them all as TUCs and get over the minimum of 10 games. The odds of that happening are remote, but the composition of the TUCs could change, thus BSU's record head to head with some of those teams could change. Say UNO sweeps BSU, that would give them a 2-0 h2h advantage, making the RPI and COp comparisons far more interesting and relevant.
Re: pairwise question Miami v Bemidji
The odds are very remote as all these teams are from two conferences and with wins and losses more or less cancelling each other out in terms of # of teams above the cliff, I have trouble seeing all 5 jump above #25. Of course thats irrelevant if bemidji loses a couple of games to rmu and the cop shifts to miami. since bemidji would need some losses by miami to make up rpi ground due to their weak remaining schedule, the tuc looks right now like its unlikely to play into the ifnal outcome.
The odds are very remote as all these teams are from two conferences and with wins and losses more or less cancelling each other out in terms of # of teams above the cliff, I have trouble seeing all 5 jump above #25. Of course thats irrelevant if bemidji loses a couple of games to rmu and the cop shifts to miami. since bemidji would need some losses by miami to make up rpi ground due to their weak remaining schedule, the tuc looks right now like its unlikely to play into the ifnal outcome.