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MLB 2015 - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
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Spartanforlife4
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Agree, though I do think it's gotten out of hand. It's been increasing in past years, but whereas it took about a decade (from what I can remember) to go from 0 to 20, last year it went from 20 to going 85 in a 55. Just extreme and annoying. Half the Tigers lineup had a shift put against it and I'm pretty sure our third basemen ran a 5k each game going into right field for shifts.
Agree, though I do think it's gotten out of hand. It's been increasing in past years, but whereas it took about a decade (from what I can remember) to go from 0 to 20, last year it went from 20 to going 85 in a 55. Just extreme and annoying. Half the Tigers lineup had a shift put against it and I'm pretty sure our third basemen ran a 5k each game going into right field for shifts.
Re: MLB 2015 - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
Learn to hit better. Adjust. Don't handicap the strategy.
Learn to hit better. Adjust. Don't handicap the strategy.
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I gotta agree that the defensive shift ban is stupid (first I've heard of it is right now tho).
If hitters want to prevent the third baseman from playing SS and the left fielder from playing center field, then he needs to plant a couple right down the left field line. That'll teach 'em.
Learn to plant your feet when you swing to point the ball that way. I taught little leaguers to do that years ago.
I gotta agree that the defensive shift ban is stupid (first I've heard of it is right now tho).
If hitters want to prevent the third baseman from playing SS and the left fielder from playing center field, then he needs to plant a couple right down the left field line. That'll teach 'em.
Learn to plant your feet when you swing to point the ball that way. I taught little leaguers to do that years ago.
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The rule is open ended, from my understanding: "a reasonable time" sorta thing. Obviously not enforced, hence the hard-rule-change.
The rule is open ended, from my understanding: "a reasonable time" sorta thing. Obviously not enforced, hence the hard-rule-change.
Spartanforlife4
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They already do carry stopwatches. However, the only time I've ever seen one explicitly used was in like 2010 on some Indians pitcher. I want to say the ump actually gave an automatic ball for going over the limit, but for the most part umpires don't care as long as it's not taking forever. Plus, it's hard for the pitcher to get it off in 20 seconds when the batter is stepping out to readjust gloves/scratch crotch/take off uniform,put through rinse cycle,dry,iron,put back on,then readjust gloves after every pitch, but the MLBPA isn't playing nice in adopting the automatic strike rules that have been implemented in the minors and fall leagues.
They already do carry stopwatches. However, the only time I've ever seen one explicitly used was in like 2010 on some Indians pitcher. I want to say the ump actually gave an automatic ball for going over the limit, but for the most part umpires don't care as long as it's not taking forever. Plus, it's hard for the pitcher to get it off in 20 seconds when the batter is stepping out to readjust gloves/scratch crotch/take off uniform,put through rinse cycle,dry,iron,put back on,then readjust gloves after every pitch, but the MLBPA isn't playing nice in adopting the automatic strike rules that have been implemented in the minors and fall leagues.
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Agreed on the batter and their re-adjusting their body armor.
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Exactly. Learn to hit to the opposite field once in awhile and there won't be huge shifts. Or bunt. If you can't do that, then you deserve to face a shift.
Next they will draw little circles on the field and make the defensive players stand in them and not adjust for each hitter to "increase offense". Maybe they should make them play without gloves, too... that would increase offense
Exactly. Learn to hit to the opposite field once in awhile and there won't be huge shifts. Or bunt. If you can't do that, then you deserve to face a shift.
Next they will draw little circles on the field and make the defensive players stand in them and not adjust for each hitter to "increase offense". Maybe they should make them play without gloves, too... that would increase offense
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So for MLB for the first 3 innings, you can't shift and then the batting side can declare one more inning where the defensive team is not allowed to shift. And no shifts in extra innings.
Sounds shifty. I know.
In limited overs cricket they have fielding restrictions (for 6 overs (36 balls) in 20 over matches and 10 overs (60 balls bowled) in 50 over matches) where you're limited on the number of fielders in the outfield. It increases the run rate. This works for me.Exactly. Learn to hit to the opposite field once in awhile and there won't be huge shifts. Or bunt. If you can't do that, then you deserve to face a shift.
Next they will draw little circles on the field and make the defensive players stand in them and not adjust for each hitter to "increase offense". Maybe they should make them play without gloves, too... that would increase offense
So for MLB for the first 3 innings, you can't shift and then the batting side can declare one more inning where the defensive team is not allowed to shift. And no shifts in extra innings.
Sounds shifty. I know.
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I don't get how more offense speeds up a game. Pretty sure it does the opposite.
That must be under the "the game is too boring" mandate.
I'm all for being ready to hit/pitch before the inning break is over. Also on board with stronger enforcement of staying in the batters box or on the mound.
I'm against outlawing the shift unless it was already somewhere in the rules and a bit too grey to be enforced before.
I don't get how more offense speeds up a game. Pretty sure it does the opposite.
That must be under the "the game is too boring" mandate.
I'm all for being ready to hit/pitch before the inning break is over. Also on board with stronger enforcement of staying in the batters box or on the mound.
I'm against outlawing the shift unless it was already somewhere in the rules and a bit too grey to be enforced before.
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Also, MLB needs to look at how "Lower" level baseball works as far as pacing... Varsity HS games with competent players are routinely done in 1:30-1:45 for 7 innings... 9 inning NCAA games are just a bit over 2 hours... Why can't this be done at the Pro level? Not saying every MLB game needs to be done in 2:15, but they need to get rid of the 3:30 games ASAP...
Also, Strikes/Outs move the game along... Sending 6-10 batters to the plate every inning does not... The Commish needs to think about what he wants to do... He's talking out of both sides of his arse it seems
Only restriction on the rulebook regarding the placement of defender is that "All defenders EXCEPT the Catcher must be in fair territory..." There isn't even any grey area here... Just people *****ing that something used against them is "unfair" cause they don't want to advance their own skills...
Also, MLB needs to look at how "Lower" level baseball works as far as pacing... Varsity HS games with competent players are routinely done in 1:30-1:45 for 7 innings... 9 inning NCAA games are just a bit over 2 hours... Why can't this be done at the Pro level? Not saying every MLB game needs to be done in 2:15, but they need to get rid of the 3:30 games ASAP...
Also, Strikes/Outs move the game along... Sending 6-10 batters to the plate every inning does not... The Commish needs to think about what he wants to do... He's talking out of both sides of his arse it seems
Re: MLB 2015 - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
TV adds (ads) about 15-20 minutes with commercials. Human rain delay players and pitchers add another 10 minutes+.Only restriction on the rulebook regarding the placement of defender is that "All defenders EXCEPT the Catcher must be in fair territory..." There isn't even any grey area here... Just people *****ing that something used against them is "unfair" cause they don't want to advance their own skills...
Also, MLB needs to look at how "Lower" level baseball works as far as pacing... Varsity HS games with competent players are routinely done in 1:30-1:45 for 7 innings... 9 inning NCAA games are just a bit over 2 hours... Why can't this be done at the Pro level? Not saying every MLB game needs to be done in 2:15, but they need to get rid of the 3:30 games ASAP...
Also, Strikes/Outs move the game along... Sending 6-10 batters to the plate every inning does not... The Commish needs to think about what he wants to do... He's talking out of both sides of his arse it seems
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The reason this can't be done at the pro level is simple: ESPN/Fox does not televise high school and (for the most part) college baseball, and does not blow 40 minutes a game trying to sell you Budweisers and Fords. ESPN had a story the other day in which they stated that a nationally televised game has a 2:25 break per every half inning. That's just under 5 minutes per inning in commercials. And teams were taking an additional 30 seconds after that nearly every half inning.
I have Game 5 of the 1968 World Series on DVD, complete with commercials. Every half inning there was a Dodge/Plymouth commercial, a Gillette commercial (~30 seconds each), and then they came back with a short (20-25 second interview) with someone baseball-related who was as the game, and away they went. Two short commercials, a quick interview, and boom, Mickey Lolich is back on the bump, resuming the chucking of the baseballs. 90-95 seconds, tops.
Get the players ready to go when the TV break is over and keep the batters in the box. There's roughly 15-20 minutes right there. Outside of the shift discussion (which I think is absolutely idiotic, at best), the rest of this stuff is the equivalent of trying to save $5 off the price of a Ferrari.
The reason this can't be done at the pro level is simple: ESPN/Fox does not televise high school and (for the most part) college baseball, and does not blow 40 minutes a game trying to sell you Budweisers and Fords. ESPN had a story the other day in which they stated that a nationally televised game has a 2:25 break per every half inning. That's just under 5 minutes per inning in commercials. And teams were taking an additional 30 seconds after that nearly every half inning.
I have Game 5 of the 1968 World Series on DVD, complete with commercials. Every half inning there was a Dodge/Plymouth commercial, a Gillette commercial (~30 seconds each), and then they came back with a short (20-25 second interview) with someone baseball-related who was as the game, and away they went. Two short commercials, a quick interview, and boom, Mickey Lolich is back on the bump, resuming the chucking of the baseballs. 90-95 seconds, tops.
Get the players ready to go when the TV break is over and keep the batters in the box. There's roughly 15-20 minutes right there. Outside of the shift discussion (which I think is absolutely idiotic, at best), the rest of this stuff is the equivalent of trying to save $5 off the price of a Ferrari.
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WeAreNDHockey
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I used to go to games in 3 or 4 ballparks a year for many, many years. After the 94-95 strike my anger drove me away for years and it wasn't until 2004 that I once again began attending games with any regularity. In that 10 years I could feel the huge change in the pace of the game, much of it due to the insane amount of time that passed between the final out of one half inning and the first pitch of the next. 90 seconds was perfect. But twice that much is certainly too long. That alone adds at least 16 minutes to the game. Throw in the fact that nearly every batter and nearly every pitcher has some sort of "routine" and that accounts for another minute or two every half inning. It's no wonder that every game -- regardless of the number of runs, batters faced or pitching changes -- is 30 minutes longer than it absolutely has to be. And baseball wonders why the average age of its fans increases a year every season. I wish I could find a source to cite but I heard this on the Cowherd show on ESPN last season. MLB surveyed fans in 2009 and found the average age was something like 49 and in 2014 it was 54. The old fans are dying and they are not replacing them with a younger generation. This sport will marginalize itself in another 10 years if it doesn't put a stop to this. They are already on the verge of losing the smart device generation anyway. There are still people old enough to remember a sports world where the big three were baseball horse racing and boxing. If they think it will never happen that's a sure sign it will.
I used to go to games in 3 or 4 ballparks a year for many, many years. After the 94-95 strike my anger drove me away for years and it wasn't until 2004 that I once again began attending games with any regularity. In that 10 years I could feel the huge change in the pace of the game, much of it due to the insane amount of time that passed between the final out of one half inning and the first pitch of the next. 90 seconds was perfect. But twice that much is certainly too long. That alone adds at least 16 minutes to the game. Throw in the fact that nearly every batter and nearly every pitcher has some sort of "routine" and that accounts for another minute or two every half inning. It's no wonder that every game -- regardless of the number of runs, batters faced or pitching changes -- is 30 minutes longer than it absolutely has to be. And baseball wonders why the average age of its fans increases a year every season. I wish I could find a source to cite but I heard this on the Cowherd show on ESPN last season. MLB surveyed fans in 2009 and found the average age was something like 49 and in 2014 it was 54. The old fans are dying and they are not replacing them with a younger generation. This sport will marginalize itself in another 10 years if it doesn't put a stop to this. They are already on the verge of losing the smart device generation anyway. There are still people old enough to remember a sports world where the big three were baseball horse racing and boxing. If they think it will never happen that's a sure sign it will.
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