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Junior Influence on NESCAC Recruits...Does it Make a Difference?

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nasa69

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Current ranking of the D3 Teams on D3hockey.com lists one Nescac team in the top 10...#6 - Bowdoin. All of the other top 10 listed teams recruit exclusively from the junior ranks. The recruited players from these squads are concentrated from the canadian tier 2 junior leagues and the NAHL with a few EJHL players. Bowdoin's recruiting class of 9 players is made up of 6 junior players and 3 prep players. Middlebury continues to buck this trend with only one Jr recruit: Beaney has his methods. The other power players in the Nescac; Williams and Amherst are about equally split. Trinity which had a tremendous rebuld last year is only bringing in 3 Jr. players (though they look to be studs) and 10 prep players. Following in the tradition Bazin started, Hamilton is also bringing in 6 junior players and 3 prep recruits.

If the Nescac is going to compete on a national level, I think the programs will need to recruit more on a junior level. Especially with the junior players being older and more mature physically. Prior to several years ago, the Nescac was almost entirely rostered with prep players. With captain practices due to start in 10 weeks, will the Nescac start to compete on a national level?
 
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nasa69 said:
Current ranking of the D3 Teams on D3hockey.com lists one Nescac team in the top 10...#6 - Bowdoin. All of the other top 10 listed teams recruit exclusively from the junior ranks. The recruited players from these squads are concentrated from the canadian tier 2 junior leagues and the NAHL with a few EJHL players. Bowdoin's recruiting class of 9 players is made up of 6 junior players and 3 prep players. Middlebury continues to buck this trend with only one Jr recruit: Beaney has his methods. The other power players in the Nescac; Williams and Amherst are about equally split. Trinity which had a tremendous rebuld last year is only bringing in 3 Jr. players (though they look to be studs) and 10 prep players. Following in the tradition Bazin started, Hamilton is also bringing in 6 junior players and 3 prep recruits.

If the Nescac is going to compete on a national level, I think the programs will need to recruit more on a junior level. Especially with the junior players being older and more mature physically. Prior to several years ago, the Nescac was almost entirely rostered with prep players. With captain practices due to start in 10 weeks, will the Nescac start to compete on a national level?
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Bowdoin is 6th in the women's poll, and 7th in the men's.

"Exclusively" from the junior ranks? Babson looks like a 50/50 split between junior and prep for last years freshman. Norwich has 8 prep school players on the roster.
 
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jerrynu26 said:
Bowdoin is 6th in the women's poll, and 7th in the men's.

"Exclusively" from the junior ranks? Babson looks like a 50/50 split between junior and prep for last years freshman. Norwich has 8 prep school players on the roster.
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On the flip side, the NESCAC's may get a kid who wants to go to college while still underage (for alcoholic beverage consumption purposes) so they can earn that six figure salary earlier (to pay off the student loans).
 
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Beaney, who you cite as bucking the trend of juniors, has eight naitional titles. Granted his last (and only loss in the title game) appearance was in 2007, but the NESCAC can compete on a national stage. If Bowdoin played a stronger out of conference schedule they'd probably have had a home game in the quarters this year.

The kid I want to know about is a juniors (and former prep) player named Cameron Romoff. D3Hockey doesn't have him as going to Middlebury but the WordPress blog does. He was supposed to be a Brown recruit and quite a good one at that.
 
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nescachockey said:
Beaney, who you cite as bucking the trend of juniors, has eight naitional titles. Granted his last (and only loss in the title game) appearance was in 2007, but the NESCAC can compete on a national stage. If Bowdoin played a stronger out of conference schedule they'd probably have had a home game in the quarters this year.

The kid I want to know about is a juniors (and former prep) player named Cameron Romoff. D3Hockey doesn't have him as going to Middlebury but the WordPress blog does. He was supposed to be a Brown recruit and quite a good one at that.
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Beaney has done it his way and done it better in D3 than any other coach. Mazzoleni, McShane, and Coughlin recently have also demonstrated coaching prowess. However, times change. In the last 3 years that the NCHA has dominated the championship, every player had junior experience and many were D1 transfers that had played jr. Subsequent to that, Norwich had 8 prep players on their squad but the two prior champions only had one prep player each. Beaney was the last coach to win with primarily prep players and that was in 06. Who knows, maybe he can do it again but clearly the direction of the dominant D3 teams is in the Jr. direction.
 
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nasa69 said:
Beaney has done it his way and done it better in D3 than any other coach. Mazzoleni, McShane, and Coughlin recently have also demonstrated coaching prowess. However, times change. In the last 3 years that the NCHA has dominated the championship, every player had junior experience and many were D1 transfers that had played jr. Subsequent to that, Norwich had 8 prep players on their squad but the two prior champions only had one prep player each. Beaney was the last coach to win with primarily prep players and that was in 06. Who knows, maybe he can do it again but clearly the direction of the dominant D3 teams is in the Jr. direction.
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The key phrase above, IMO, is D1 transfers.
 
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It will make some differences but a slight difference though.
 
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joecct said:
The key phrase above, IMO, is D1 transfers.
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+1

I don't really have a problem with where NESCAC is positioned for the NCAA tourney. Even without going back to Middlebury's long, long, long run the last three seasons Bowdoin & Amherst have represented the conference well.

As far as the weak OOC stuff goes, UNE, which appears 2x on Bowdoin's schedule again this year (probably Colby's too) looks better and better all the time.
 
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Nate Silver, who is moving to ESPN from the NY Times, did a piece a couple months ago on why Canadian teams don't win the Stanley Cup anymore. Would be interesting to see a statistical analysis on the correlation between percentage of rosters being from juniors/D1 transfers and success in D-3 hockey.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/why-cant-canada-win-the-stanley-cup/
 
nescachockey said:
Nate Silver, who is moving to ESPN from the NY Times, did a piece a couple months ago on why Canadian teams don't win the Stanley Cup anymore. Would be interesting to see a statistical analysis on the correlation between percentage of rosters being from juniors/D1 transfers and success in D-3 hockey.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/why-cant-canada-win-the-stanley-cup/
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If you're talking about Canadian vs US I did that a few years ago when discussing the consistent failure of Cortland hockey. It was a very large percentage of Canadians/Junior players on Top 15 teams and perennial powers of DIII which is why Financial Aid packages are HUGE in DIII.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
If you're talking about Canadian vs US I did that a few years ago when discussing the consistent failure of Cortland hockey. It was a very large percentage of Canadians/Junior players on Top 15 teams and perennial powers of DIII which is why Financial Aid packages are HUGE in DIII.
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Link?
 
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I don't think it's that the NESCAC coaches don't want to recruit more junior players....I think it's that the admissions at the NESCAC schools won't let them recruit junior players (with exceptions here and there). Also, I believe that most of the NESCAC schools do not have rolling admissions and it must be difficult to convince kids to apply by January 1.
 
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fanofhockey1 said:
I don't think it's that the NESCAC coaches don't want to recruit more junior players....I think it's that the admissions at the NESCAC schools won't let them recruit junior players (with exceptions here and there). Also, I believe that most of the NESCAC schools do not have rolling admissions and it must be difficult to convince kids to apply by January 1.
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January 1? Try early decision November 1.
 
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fanofhockey1 said:
I don't think it's that the NESCAC coaches don't want to recruit more junior players....I think it's that the admissions at the NESCAC schools won't let them recruit junior players (with exceptions here and there). Also, I believe that most of the NESCAC schools do not have rolling admissions and it must be difficult to convince kids to apply by January 1.
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That is my sentiment. Its not that the coaches at these coaches avoid junior age players but simply a lot of them dont have the academics to get into these schools and the schools are pretty selective anyway. % of admittance ranges from about 10%-30% I think. Another issue is simply the cost factor. Most of these schools that I know of are 50k+. Yeah theres a lot of ways for these kids to get substantially less but still a high cost and is an issue for a lot of families out there.
 
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There is no hard and fast rule within the Nessy. It varies based on coach preference, academic achievement of recruits, and coaches influence with admissions. Recruits are tiered as 1,2 or 3. 1's need no help with admissions and recruiting efforts are made to tie these players with early decision appliation. 2's need some assistance and 3's need every lobbying effort a coach can give with admissions.
 
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