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It's the Economy, Stupid!

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Ron Paul, really? Good grief, pass out the tinfoil hats ...
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
He's right about one thing. It's all Capitalism until someone important starts losing money. Then it's socialism to the rescue.
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Precisely. And those same imbeciles in Congress who now revile "capitalism", whatever that is, rode those same coattails when money was flowing freely and their constituents were able to buy houses, SUVs and plasma TVs with no money down.
 
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As out there as Ron Paul is on certain issues, this country would be a better place if people would speak honestly about issues the way he does.
 
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Bob Gray said:
As out there as Ron Paul is on certain issues, this country would be a better place if people would speak honestly about issues the way he does.
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True, although that is also a luxury of knowing you will never, ever get within a country mile of actual governance.

Hypocrisy and democracy will go hand in hand until the average voter becomes smarter than a door knob.
 
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Kepler said:
True, although that is also a luxury of knowing you will never, ever get within a country mile of actual governance.

Hypocrisy and democracy will go hand in hand until the average voter becomes smarter than a door knob.
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Which will never happen.
 
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Bob Gray said:
As out there as Ron Paul is on certain issues, this country would be a better place if people would speak honestly about issues the way he does.
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Paul had some really good ideas. But problems stemmed from these being ideas that the GOP frequently doesn't espouse, just how draconian Paul wanted the execution of his ideas, and fear among independents of other ideas we don't know about...even if the GOP would feel better about them.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Paul had some really good ideas.
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He also has some whacked-out crazy ones, too. Like going back to a gold-standard for the dollar.

What the GOP needs is someone who is neither beholden to the religious right nor someone who takes fiscal conservatism to the extreme like Paul. I don't know if that candidate exists in this day and age, but there's got to be some moderate conservatives somewhere.
 
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unofan said:
He also has some whacked-out crazy ones, too. Like going back to a gold-standard for the dollar.

What the GOP needs is someone who is neither beholden to the religious right nor someone who takes fiscal conservatism to the extreme like Paul. I don't know if that candidate exists in this day and age, but there's got to be some moderate conservatives somewhere.
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There is a school of leadership style that says propose something way out on the fringe, knowing you won't get it. But people will think that you really want that and try to meet it, but deliver something less which is where you wanted them to be anyway.

But, if you originally asked for where they ended up, then you would end up (again) with something less.

Maybe Paul is asking for the Moon, but in trying to get there we'll learn alot about the process and maybe, just maybe, get something meaningful at the end of the journey.
 
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joecct said:
There is a school of leadership style that says propose something way out on the fringe, knowing you won't get it. But people will think that you really want that and try to meet it, but deliver something less which is where you wanted them to be anyway.
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Yeah, but in order for that to work, the extreme has to be somewhat viable or else people dismiss you as a nut and you have no bargaining power whatsoever...just like Paul.
 
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joecct said:
There is a school of leadership style that says propose something way out on the fringe, knowing you won't get it. But people will think that you really want that and try to meet it, but deliver something less which is where you wanted them to be anyway.
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Yep, that's Negotiation 101.

It also moves the Overton Window -- there's nothing like having the midpoint of acceptable political discourse be your party platform, anchored equidistant between the center and the radicals of your own party.
 
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unofan said:
He also has some whacked-out crazy ones, too. Like going back to a gold-standard for the dollar.
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And having nothing to back up the dollar is a good thing? At one time, "the full faith and credit of the US Gov't" meant something, but with the US being in the hole for 60-70 trillion dollars (counting unfunded Social Security and Medicare liabilities) or more, I'm not sure how much longer that faith will last.
 
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unofan said:
He also has some whacked-out crazy ones, too. Like going back to a gold-standard for the dollar.

What the GOP needs is someone who is neither beholden to the religious right nor someone who takes fiscal conservatism to the extreme like Paul. I don't know if that candidate exists in this day and age, but there's got to be some moderate conservatives somewhere.
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There may be such a candidate but they would never get the financial backing to get elected. The money backs the candidates that they can control.
 
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Bill said:
And having nothing to back up the dollar is a good thing? At one time, "the full faith and credit of the US Gov't" meant something, but with the US being in the hole for 60-70 trillion dollars (counting unfunded Social Security and Medicare liabilities) or more, I'm not sure how much longer that faith will last.
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Such liabilities are on paper only...the gov't could end SS and medicare tomorrow if they wanted/needed to. They aren't contractually bound by anything to keep those entitlements running.

Allowing the dollar to float is not the issue. Self-control is the issue. If Americans stopped buying everything and anything on credit, the dollar would regain its strength quicker than you could imagine.
 
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unofan said:
Allowing the dollar to float is not the issue. Self-control is the issue. If Americans stopped buying everything and anything on credit, the dollar would regain its strength quicker than you could imagine.
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That's why the credit crisis wasn't a crisis. It was the crows coming home to roost on people who extended credit irresponsibly.

Everybody on the board of Lehman should be homeless.
 
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