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Inflation and Monetary Policy

Eeyore

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Moved from one of the hockey forums. Don't know if Blackbeard reads over here, but here goes.

Wow! You actually believe the officially messaged numbers on the inflation rate that the government feeds you...which of course doesn't include non essentials for living in this day and age like food and gasoline! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I can't believe you actually said that.

The official numbers track pretty well with other (non anecdotal) sources.

You might want to check what John Williams over at Shadow Stats.com has to say on the topic. He calculates the inflation rate the way it was done back in the early '80's before the US government started messaging reality and credibility out of them.

I am familiar with Shadow Stats and it's complete garbage. For starters, he does not calculate the inflation rate the way they did at any time in the past. What he has done is figures out an estimate for how much he thinks the change in BLS methodology has subtracted from the real inflation rate on average and then just adds that amount to the official CPI-U figure each month. That's a complete useless approach that, even if he did it right, wouldn't actually tell us anything.

Of course, Williams doesn't do it right, either. As you can see from his posts on what he does, he calculates the aggregate difference in price level since 1980 between CPI-U and CPI-U-RS and comes up with a difference of 5.1%, which is the figure he then adds to the CPI-U each month. He says, "Keep in mind that the CPI changes of 0.68% were an aggregate for those years and had to be carried forward—added back in—on a cumulative basis if one wanted to remove the effects of the methodological changes from future data. Against the aggregated 0.68% reduction in the reported inflation, the BLS’s related CPI-U-RS series showed an aggregated reduction in the reported inflation of 0.7%, as discussed in the next two sections."

That's utterly wrong and reveals that Williams has no idea what he is talking about. You do not add in cumulative differences in the price level when trying to compute the rate of inflation. That's dumb and if Williams doesn't understand that there's no reason anyone should give the slightest credence to anything he says on the subject of economics. The correct answer for the difference between CPI-U and CPI-U-RS in terms of the annual inflation rate is the second to last column of his table Net Reduction in CPI-U inflation from Changes in Methodology, not the last one. You may notice that the difference was either 0.0% or 0.1% for every year between 2000 and 2011.

That's not much of an earth shattering difference.

Believing government messaged numbers on inflation, the definition of which has been changed many times over the years to suit their own purpose, is like believing that those who have given up looking for work are no longer considered unemployed...which the US government would also have you believe...which by definition, referring to simple English, would mean that they are employed...(thereby contributing to more attractive unemployment stats that they hope that you will be gullible enough to believe). Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

Here is where you begin to betray that you don't understand BLS statistics. The US government wouldn't have you believe any such thing. They in fact publish six different unemployment rates that have progressively broader definitions of who is considered a part of the labor force. You are correct that the headline number, U-3, does exclude those who are not looking for work from its definition of the labor force but that's not because the government is trying to hoodwink us; it's because the different measures of unemployment are each suited for different things. If what you want is a measure of the number of people who are not working full time, U-6 is the one you want. In its complete nefariousness, the BLS puts U-6 right in its publications, thus ensuring that everyone remains completely in the dark as to what it is.

However, if what you want is the rate of unemployment as it will produce inflationary pressures, U-3 is absolutely the one you want. People who are not looking for work do not reduce wage inflation as they are not a part of the supply of labor. So if you are the Federal Reserve and your concern is what the proper monetary policy is, you'd be stupid to use U-6.

There is some debate as to which unemployment number should be the one that is used in the headlines, produced apparently by the conception that people are incapable of processing the idea that there are different rates. The thing is that there isn't really a right answer to that question. It's not lying to anyone to use U-3, it's just a subjective choice.

(For what it's worth, a lot, though not all, of the differences in headline unemployment numbers across countries comes not from different labor market conditions but from how they define the size of the labor force. Japan uses a narrower definition, closer to U-2, so a comparison to the U.S. headline rate makes it look like Japan has lower unemployment. European countries, on the other hand, use a broader definition which is one reason that their unemployment rates are always higher. There's nothing wrong with the choice being made by any of them.)

And you do the same thing when you complain that food and gas aren't included in the inflation statistics. First off, you are factually incorrect. The headline CPI-U number does include food and energy. What you are doing is conflating the headline number, which is the one generally reported, with Core CPI-U, which does exclude those items.

Your second problem is that you don't seem to understand what core inflation is used for and why it is used. It's used primarily by the Fed to determine monetary policy. The reason for this is that the price of food and energy, like all commodities (including gold), fluctuates wildly for reasons that have nothing to do with monetary policy. If you are trying to make policy both the price volatility and its non-monetary origins make it unwise to include commodity prices as a large component of your inflation measure. You need something that is both more stable and more accurately reflects what you are trying to measure, in this case the effects of monetary policy on the price level. For that, core inflation is the much more appropriate tool than headline inflation.

As for your second sentence, I'm not so sure about "decades" but just because something is inevitable doesn't mean that it is imminent.

If someone keeps crying that the sky is falling and yet it never does, that calls their credibility into question. And, yes, I've been hearing the exact same prophecies ever since I started paying attention to finance and economics, which was around 1987. And it never happens. Could it at some point? Sure. But there's no evidence that it actually is happening or that it's at all likely to happen in the near future.

Let me ask you this: if very high levels of inflation are so inevitable, why isn't that reflected in interest rates? The fact is that the markets don't think that inflation is likely to happen in the next 30 years. If you're much of a believer in the efficient markets hypothesis (and personally I'm not, at least not in its stronger forms) and the idea that the best way to price anything is in a market, that's a very strong piece of evidence that inflation is not a serious concern at this point.
 
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There is some debate as to which unemployment number should be the one that is used in the headlines, produced apparently by the conception that people are incapable of processing the idea that there are different rates. The thing is that there isn't really a right answer to that question. It's not lying to anyone to use U-3, it's just a subjective choice.

I've always thought that U-4 was a better figure for publications like newspapers and news sites. It's a figure that better describes the overall economic condition than U-3. The standard of four-weeks without work has been met too easily and far too often. People reading the news without any sort of economics training never seem to understand how the number changes when people leave the workforce due to a lack of jobs. They see the official U value change and seem to think the denominator is a static value.
 
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I've always thought that U-4 was a better figure for publications like newspapers and news sites. It's a figure that better describes the overall economic condition than U-3. The standard of four-weeks without work has been met too easily and far too often. People reading the news without any sort of economics training never seem to understand how the number changes when people leave the workforce due to a lack of jobs. They see the official U value change and seem to think the denominator is a static value.

Sure, but I think this is a problem caused primarily by those who are supposed to educate people (schools and media) rather than an issue with the government trying to dupe us all. The monthly jobs report contains a cogent explanation of the various measures but no one ever cites them.
 
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Your second problem is that you don't seem to understand what core inflation is used for and why it is used. It's used primarily by the Fed to determine monetary policy.

Even back when it was first enacted, I thought the Humphrey Hawkins bill was a big mistake, and I feel even more strongly that way now. You generally cannot manage unemployment by using monetary policy; in many cases even fiscal policy is not the best "tool" for that job, although it is far preferable than monetary policy.

The role of monetary policy, it seems to me, should be (a) to maintain a relatively stable price level, and (b) to deal with short-term liquidity issues, either too little or too much.

Quantitative Easing is a huge mistake, in my view, because it ignores how changes in the velocity of money will affect economic activity. Once the liquidity crunch was over, the Fed should have stopped buying bonds. It is like steering an oil tanker or running a freight train with lots of heavily-loaded box cars. Momentum is way too strong for quick stops, starts, and turns.
 
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Even back when it was first enacted, I thought the Humphrey Hawkins bill was a big mistake, and I feel even more strongly that way now. You generally cannot manage unemployment by using monetary policy; in many cases even fiscal policy is not the best "tool" for that job, although it is far preferable than monetary policy.

Why? When you aren't at the zero lower bound, how is monetary policy ineffective to manage unemployment? Since we are at the zero lower bound right now, and have been for more than half of a decade, I agree that fiscal stimulus would be a better tool, but good luck getting any of that through Congress.

The role of monetary policy, it seems to me, should be (a) to maintain a relatively stable price level, and (b) to deal with short-term liquidity issues, either too little or too much.

The word "relatively" is key in that sentence. There's a lot of evidence that a two percent inflation target is too low, even if it were being used as a target rather than as a ceiling. This is true both due to the zero lower bound and the assymetrical stickiness of wages and prices.

Quantitative Easing is a huge mistake, in my view, because it ignores how changes in the velocity of money will affect economic activity. Once the liquidity crunch was over, the Fed should have stopped buying bonds. It is like steering an oil tanker or running a freight train with lots of heavily-loaded box cars. Momentum is way too strong for quick stops, starts, and turns.

Modern economies are large. There's no way to steer them that isn't like running an oil tanker.
 
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Why? When you aren't at the zero lower bound, how is monetary policy ineffective to manage unemployment?

There is no evidence as far as I can see that monetary policy is effective at managing unemployment. The way you are phrasing your question, you are asking me to prove something doesn't exist. The best I can say is that there is no evidence that it does exist, but that does not constitute "proof" in a strict sense of the term.
 
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There is no evidence as far as I can see that monetary policy is effective at managing unemployment. The way you are phrasing your question, you are asking me to prove something doesn't exist. The best I can say is that there is no evidence that it does exist, but that does not constitute "proof" in a strict sense of the term.

I have no idea what data you could possibly be looking at because the effect is pretty clear. Take a look at the 79-82 double dip recession, for instance.
 
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I have no idea what data you could possibly be looking at because the effect is pretty clear. Take a look at the 79-82 double dip recession, for instance.
Paul Volcker kicked some *** with his approach to monetary policy. I don't think any Chair since has been able to come forward and do the job without concern for popular opinion. He knew that his actions were going to be very unpopular in the short-term, but then build a stronger economy over time.
 
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I have no idea what data you could possibly be looking at because the effect is pretty clear. Take a look at the 79-82 double dip recession, for instance.

What is the '79-'82 recession supposed to prove about how monetary policy affects the level of employment? Volcker's tightening with Reagan's tacit support ended the runaway Carter inflation. That was the point of monetary policy, to maintain a relatively stable price level. Not sure what link you are trying to draw with employment levels. Please explicate further.
 
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Our nation's monetary policy? Spend it and worry about the consequences later. Our economy would be less than dismal if it wasn't been juiced to the gills.
 
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