Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
There has been a lot of talk about the impending breakup of the Men’s WCHA and reports are surfacing about lying and hard-feelings among the schools. Could this split affect the Women’s WCHA?
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Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
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Renegade Badger
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
I don't think so, at least not initially. With the few number of western programs the WCHA is really there only option as of now unless they go independent. If more potential programs become a reality then the potential for change may be there. Until then I think the pros of being in the WCHA out number the cons.
I don't think so, at least not initially. With the few number of western programs the WCHA is really there only option as of now unless they go independent. If more potential programs become a reality then the potential for change may be there. Until then I think the pros of being in the WCHA out number the cons.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
Sean
I agree; I think that long term women’s teams will join the same leagues as the men’s teams, the same as Hockey East did. However, what got me was the 'hard-feelings' comment I read. When hard-feelings are involved sometimes we do things that are in our, or others, best interests. Is it possible for member schools to vote out other member schools? Just some thoughts I had reading some of the articles posted the past few days and I am interested in knowing others, especially WCHA fans, think.
Sean
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
I seriously hope the "realignment" which includes present WCHA programs for the men has no impact on the current WCHA as is for the women. Like blogger...I don't foresee any impact on the women's WCHA anytime soon. There's obviously many more league / conference options for the men due to the number of programs...geographic location etc. It's all seems like fallout from the planned "Big 10" conference to me. A situation (Big 10 Conference) which is vastly different per gender among Big 10 schools...and isn't realistic for the women IMO.
Until you add several programs on the women's side any change or potential realignment for the women doesn't make any sense IMO. If you had varsity programs for the women at say...CC, Denver, Omaha or the Michigan schools then you might have reason for consideration to changes to present day conference alignment. Which could mean it'll never be realistic...at least while I'm around to see it, given the likelihood of those mentioned above developing varsity programs for the women.
I seriously hope the "realignment" which includes present WCHA programs for the men has no impact on the current WCHA as is for the women. Like blogger...I don't foresee any impact on the women's WCHA anytime soon. There's obviously many more league / conference options for the men due to the number of programs...geographic location etc. It's all seems like fallout from the planned "Big 10" conference to me. A situation (Big 10 Conference) which is vastly different per gender among Big 10 schools...and isn't realistic for the women IMO.
Until you add several programs on the women's side any change or potential realignment for the women doesn't make any sense IMO. If you had varsity programs for the women at say...CC, Denver, Omaha or the Michigan schools then you might have reason for consideration to changes to present day conference alignment. Which could mean it'll never be realistic...at least while I'm around to see it, given the likelihood of those mentioned above developing varsity programs for the women.
Toothlessinduluth
Ranger, Gopher, mean,cruel Dog fan
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
Brooky - I totally agree with you, gott'a be a 1st, ;>), - my concern is there going to be a WCHA left for any league play? Guess I just too old to like change.
Brooky - I totally agree with you, gott'a be a 1st, ;>), - my concern is there going to be a WCHA left for any league play? Guess I just too old to like change.
taz91
Registered User
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
I can't foresee any big changes. You won't get the Big 10 influence because there are only 4 teams with Penn State adding. If anything, it may open some opportunities for media attention. Minnesota and Wisconsin men's games will move to BTN which may open some time on Fox Sports. That can only help to grow the product.
I can't foresee any big changes. You won't get the Big 10 influence because there are only 4 teams with Penn State adding. If anything, it may open some opportunities for media attention. Minnesota and Wisconsin men's games will move to BTN which may open some time on Fox Sports. That can only help to grow the product.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
...or could that reduce the already minuscule BTN broadcast schedule / coverage for the women?
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
But BTN owns the broadcast rights to the women's hockey games, so I don't see games appearing on FSN or any other rival network.
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
There is a recent precedent. CHA was formed in 99-00 as an all men's league with women joining in 02-03. Men's division folded in 09-10. Women's division still there with a good future.
There is a recent precedent. CHA was formed in 99-00 as an all men's league with women joining in 02-03. Men's division folded in 09-10. Women's division still there with a good future.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
You're right, I should have limited my comment to games held in Columbus, Madison, or Minneapolis. UND had some games live on last season as well (on the NHL network? don't remember for sure.)
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
Have seen a women's game on both FSN and on the BTN before but both rare.
More then likely the WCHA and CCHA breakups will initially have no effect. In the longer term it is possible that a lack or an increase of funds will have an effect on the women's game. Example Mankato being in the left over league as some are describing it may fold the men's program. If so could they justify keeping the women's? Similar thoughts surround St Cloud.
It could add funds to the B1G teams maybe finally embarrassing UM and MSU to create a women's team.
Personally I understand the B1G creating the hockey conference for the BTN. What I do not fully understand or agree with is the WCHA breakup. The belief is they will garner the same funds that had in the past for the Frozen 5 etc but cut among less teams in the conference. Not sure that will be the case.
Have seen a women's game on both FSN and on the BTN before but both rare.
More then likely the WCHA and CCHA breakups will initially have no effect. In the longer term it is possible that a lack or an increase of funds will have an effect on the women's game. Example Mankato being in the left over league as some are describing it may fold the men's program. If so could they justify keeping the women's? Similar thoughts surround St Cloud.
It could add funds to the B1G teams maybe finally embarrassing UM and MSU to create a women's team.
Personally I understand the B1G creating the hockey conference for the BTN. What I do not fully understand or agree with is the WCHA breakup. The belief is they will garner the same funds that had in the past for the Frozen 5 etc but cut among less teams in the conference. Not sure that will be the case.
ManBehindTheCurtain
Great and powerful wizard
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
I think the North Dakota games were on the flavor of FSN originating in Grand Forks. In the Twin Cities that meant banishment to some locally obscure channel number. If I recall it was 263 on my converter box whereas regular FSN is 32 standard definition, 201 HD.
I think the North Dakota games were on the flavor of FSN originating in Grand Forks. In the Twin Cities that meant banishment to some locally obscure channel number. If I recall it was 263 on my converter box whereas regular FSN is 32 standard definition, 201 HD.
Hockeydad4two
Registered User
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
The breakup has started. The Detroit Free Press has reported that "Colorado College, Denver, reigning NCAA champion Minnesota-Duluth, Nebraska-Omaha and North Dakota will leave the Western Collegiate Hockey Association to create the new conference."
http://www.freep.com/article/201107...-roundup-6-colleges-plan-form-new-league-2013
The breakup has started. The Detroit Free Press has reported that "Colorado College, Denver, reigning NCAA champion Minnesota-Duluth, Nebraska-Omaha and North Dakota will leave the Western Collegiate Hockey Association to create the new conference."
http://www.freep.com/article/201107...-roundup-6-colleges-plan-form-new-league-2013
taz91
Registered User
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
The more I look at, it may be good for the remaining teams. Make them one conference and add in Alabama-Huntsville for 12 teams and make two six team divisions. It would probably be a lot better competition from top to bottom.
The more I look at, it may be good for the remaining teams. Make them one conference and add in Alabama-Huntsville for 12 teams and make two six team divisions. It would probably be a lot better competition from top to bottom.
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
A few days late with that info. Will have to see who else jumps odd they don't mention Miami. No effect on the women's game at this point. What will ND or WMU do? Chances either of those two bring in a women's team? ND is always rolling in cash.
A few days late with that info. Will have to see who else jumps odd they don't mention Miami. No effect on the women's game at this point. What will ND or WMU do? Chances either of those two bring in a women's team? ND is always rolling in cash.
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
Ah, actually, they do mention Miami. "They'll be joined by current Central Collegiate Hockey Association member Miami of Ohio."
Ah, actually, they do mention Miami. "They'll be joined by current Central Collegiate Hockey Association member Miami of Ohio."
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
Official announcement on the new "Super Conference" is on Wednesday. I'm hearing that Notre Dame will also be a member and that it's likely the conference will sign a TV contract with Versus.
I agree with the previous opinions that the realignment of mens hockey will have no impact on the womens game for the foreseeable future.
Official announcement on the new "Super Conference" is on Wednesday. I'm hearing that Notre Dame will also be a member and that it's likely the conference will sign a TV contract with Versus.
I agree with the previous opinions that the realignment of mens hockey will have no impact on the womens game for the foreseeable future.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
I'd expect the result of this will be some teams dropping men's hockey. What does Alaska Anchorage do if they aren't in a conference? I don't see teams like MTU, BSU, SCSU, and Minnesota State-Mankato being strong enough financially to want to be in a small league that includes travel with the Seawolves. Hopefully, it will turn out better than I expect.
The program I really feel sorry for in all of this is Bemidji State. They build a new rink because they were promised by the WCHA that they could join, then the league dissolves around them. What a rip.
If the men's WCHA minus (UW & UM) breaks up, then I think it will have immediate impact on the women's conference. Not necessarily in conference alignment for the short term, although the bonds holding the various athletic departments together are obviously weakened. Rather, the workings and funding of the league office are likely to change, because there won't be the same large nucleus of teams that share a hockey conference for both men and women.
I'd expect the result of this will be some teams dropping men's hockey. What does Alaska Anchorage do if they aren't in a conference? I don't see teams like MTU, BSU, SCSU, and Minnesota State-Mankato being strong enough financially to want to be in a small league that includes travel with the Seawolves. Hopefully, it will turn out better than I expect.
The program I really feel sorry for in all of this is Bemidji State. They build a new rink because they were promised by the WCHA that they could join, then the league dissolves around them. What a rip.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: Impact (if any) of the Men's WCHA Breakup on the Women's WCHA?
But the type of impact you're addressing is a legit concern and the kind of impact associated with the WCHA breakup that worries me most. I may be paranoid, but I always fear losing women's D-I programs due to economics and the financial drain they are for an athletic dept. So if realignment causes increased financial hardships for some division I men's hockey programs where they also have D-I varsity hockey for the women...eventually resulting in the discontinuation of both at a given institution(s), that's clearly an undesirable impact that's not hard to imagine. Don't want to see any programs disappear...men or women. All potential and plausible detrimental fallout of a Big 10 conference. Not a fan of the plan.
Yes...Bemidji got hosed. My opinion...shoulda left the WCHA alone.
I gathered from comments posters were primarily focused on whether the realignment for the men would be duplicated for the women...if not now, maybe at some point in the future. In that regard I don't see it happening anytime soon...possibly for a long time. Can't really say it will ever happen.
But the type of impact you're addressing is a legit concern and the kind of impact associated with the WCHA breakup that worries me most. I may be paranoid, but I always fear losing women's D-I programs due to economics and the financial drain they are for an athletic dept. So if realignment causes increased financial hardships for some division I men's hockey programs where they also have D-I varsity hockey for the women...eventually resulting in the discontinuation of both at a given institution(s), that's clearly an undesirable impact that's not hard to imagine. Don't want to see any programs disappear...men or women. All potential and plausible detrimental fallout of a Big 10 conference. Not a fan of the plan.
Yes...Bemidji got hosed. My opinion...shoulda left the WCHA alone.