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HAMILTON: Swinging Low
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canadianhockeyguy
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Re: HAMILTON: Swinging Low
On the brightside: 4 of their 5 losses have been by a goal; their best player has yet to score a goal (that can't last all season); and 8 of their 12 remaining NESCAC games are at home.
I'd be surprised if things didn't get better in the second half.
On the brightside: 4 of their 5 losses have been by a goal; their best player has yet to score a goal (that can't last all season); and 8 of their 12 remaining NESCAC games are at home.
I'd be surprised if things didn't get better in the second half.
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I love optimism...if they do twice as well in the second half they will finish with 3 wins for the season. I'm not sure venue will be an advantage. They play a system that relies on 80' passes, no organized zone entry, no puck support, no regroup and no specialty team direction. There should be improvement from year to year: things look worse.
I love optimism...if they do twice as well in the second half they will finish with 3 wins for the season. I'm not sure venue will be an advantage. They play a system that relies on 80' passes, no organized zone entry, no puck support, no regroup and no specialty team direction. There should be improvement from year to year: things look worse.
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One of their top players has been playing the whole season with a hand injury. His stats are way down. My guess your son is on the team and either does not play much or does, and you're not happy with how the season is progressing. Either way, it is early and you never know. Have some faith in your team. Maybe they will surprise you.
One of their top players has been playing the whole season with a hand injury. His stats are way down. My guess your son is on the team and either does not play much or does, and you're not happy with how the season is progressing. Either way, it is early and you never know. Have some faith in your team. Maybe they will surprise you.
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Good group of players. Played great first two weeks of the year. However, no accountability for their play. Their game has reverted to pickup hockey... skate with the puck as long as you can then lose it. The same errors committed time and time again with no correction from coaching staff. In a 1:1 game against the #1 team do you intentionally roll your fourth line out against your opponents #1 on a faceoff in your own zone? Either Camp Haberbusch doesn't know that turnovers at the blueline, not making the open pass, the same players always ending up in the box, and plays resulting in shorthanded opportunities are bad, or they just don't know how to correct it.
Good group of players. Played great first two weeks of the year. However, no accountability for their play. Their game has reverted to pickup hockey... skate with the puck as long as you can then lose it. The same errors committed time and time again with no correction from coaching staff. In a 1:1 game against the #1 team do you intentionally roll your fourth line out against your opponents #1 on a faceoff in your own zone? Either Camp Haberbusch doesn't know that turnovers at the blueline, not making the open pass, the same players always ending up in the box, and plays resulting in shorthanded opportunities are bad, or they just don't know how to correct it.
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Not sure if the Cortland Announcer, Bobby Comstock was so on point last night. First he said Quattrocchi was in net but it was Gibbars first start. Then he dissed Hamilton several times stating players over carried the puck, the PP was awful and looked no better than 6:6. He got a little ahead of himself with 10 left and Hamilton on a 5 minute PP stating there was no way they could score and the game was in the bag. oops.
Not sure if the Cortland Announcer, Bobby Comstock was so on point last night. First he said Quattrocchi was in net but it was Gibbars first start. Then he dissed Hamilton several times stating players over carried the puck, the PP was awful and looked no better than 6:6. He got a little ahead of himself with 10 left and Hamilton on a 5 minute PP stating there was no way they could score and the game was in the bag. oops.
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How utterly pathetic. Oswego so dominated that they started rotating defenseman on wing. What is really going on here? With 9 games remaining is there a realistic chance of 3 more wins? That would give us a healthy 7 win season... one win less than the first Haberbush season.
The system produces no sustained offense. The team is now at less than 1.9 goals for per game. PP is the worst in the country and PK is 10% worse than their opponents. The entire game is played in the defensive zone. Last nights game was a joke in what looked like a continuous Oswego PP. Hamilton beat Oswego just 2 years ago.
One has to ask: what is the plan? Clearly what is being "taught" "practiced", does not work at this level. Running the same system that continuously fails is either the result of one not knowing how to do anything else, or one not understanding their circumstances. Prior to leaving Hamilton, Grady suffered 4 losing seasons in a row. In his worst losing season (his last) the team scored 59 goals. This team is on track to score 47. Bazin came in and with no recruits, increased wins and scoring. In Bazin's second season with one year of recruiting the team went on to 14 wins and put up 94 goals. Last year the team produced 30 goals less than Bazin's last and this year will be worse.
How utterly pathetic. Oswego so dominated that they started rotating defenseman on wing. What is really going on here? With 9 games remaining is there a realistic chance of 3 more wins? That would give us a healthy 7 win season... one win less than the first Haberbush season.
The system produces no sustained offense. The team is now at less than 1.9 goals for per game. PP is the worst in the country and PK is 10% worse than their opponents. The entire game is played in the defensive zone. Last nights game was a joke in what looked like a continuous Oswego PP. Hamilton beat Oswego just 2 years ago.
One has to ask: what is the plan? Clearly what is being "taught" "practiced", does not work at this level. Running the same system that continuously fails is either the result of one not knowing how to do anything else, or one not understanding their circumstances. Prior to leaving Hamilton, Grady suffered 4 losing seasons in a row. In his worst losing season (his last) the team scored 59 goals. This team is on track to score 47. Bazin came in and with no recruits, increased wins and scoring. In Bazin's second season with one year of recruiting the team went on to 14 wins and put up 94 goals. Last year the team produced 30 goals less than Bazin's last and this year will be worse.
OLD GUY '61
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same thing can be said for Middlebury -- looked great before the Christmas break, came back and have been steadily deteriorating. They look so over-coached that they have virtually no creativity of their own with the puck. Without that, it's just slap at the puck pond hockey.
same thing can be said for Middlebury -- looked great before the Christmas break, came back and have been steadily deteriorating. They look so over-coached that they have virtually no creativity of their own with the puck. Without that, it's just slap at the puck pond hockey.
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3 games, 1 for 16 on the powerplay (5 min penalty) and two 5 min powerplays with no goals. As the old saying goes, it is not practice that makes perfect: Perfect Practice makes Perfect.
Personel, injuries etc cannot be an excuse for the worst PP (0.094) in college hockey. Its execution. If you practice specific execution and accept nothing less, the players will execute. I once saw then new Flyers coach Laviolette demand that Pronger play the PP a particular way. Imagine, an allstar being told by a new coach how it had to be done.
The purpose of powerplay is to out man the opponent, force him to move side to side or high to low to allow for an advantageous shot. It doesn't work if the opponent can simply set up and doesn't have to move.
There are really only 3 basic options teams execute: Umbrella, 1:3:1, and the overload. The umbrella takes advantage of a big shooter at the point, 2 strong low men who can crash the net, deflect shots and hit in rebounds, and half board players who can control the puck. The purpose of the umbrella is to move the puck quickly force the defenders low that enables a big shot from the point (a one-timer is ideal).
The 1:3:1 requires a strong man who cant be moved in front, a good shooter in the slot, 2 good shooters on the sides and quarterback at the top. The setup shrinks the Dbox and opens shots from the sides.
The overload requires good skating puck handlers who can change position and make good sharp passes in response to either passive or aggressive defense. Skaters have to move the puck quickly to open seams for skaters. The overload can't work if players just pass the puck around the perimeter and stand still. The D will not have to move.
Not each system is ideal for every team. You have to pick the right system for your personel. I have never seen the first and second PP play the exact same system. Why would they, they have different strengths. Running the same PP regardless of personel is like trying to make a triple chocolate cake using fruits and nuts as your ingredients. Doesn't taste good and Julia Childs would not approve.
3 games, 1 for 16 on the powerplay (5 min penalty) and two 5 min powerplays with no goals. As the old saying goes, it is not practice that makes perfect: Perfect Practice makes Perfect.
Personel, injuries etc cannot be an excuse for the worst PP (0.094) in college hockey. Its execution. If you practice specific execution and accept nothing less, the players will execute. I once saw then new Flyers coach Laviolette demand that Pronger play the PP a particular way. Imagine, an allstar being told by a new coach how it had to be done.
The purpose of powerplay is to out man the opponent, force him to move side to side or high to low to allow for an advantageous shot. It doesn't work if the opponent can simply set up and doesn't have to move.
There are really only 3 basic options teams execute: Umbrella, 1:3:1, and the overload. The umbrella takes advantage of a big shooter at the point, 2 strong low men who can crash the net, deflect shots and hit in rebounds, and half board players who can control the puck. The purpose of the umbrella is to move the puck quickly force the defenders low that enables a big shot from the point (a one-timer is ideal).
The 1:3:1 requires a strong man who cant be moved in front, a good shooter in the slot, 2 good shooters on the sides and quarterback at the top. The setup shrinks the Dbox and opens shots from the sides.
The overload requires good skating puck handlers who can change position and make good sharp passes in response to either passive or aggressive defense. Skaters have to move the puck quickly to open seams for skaters. The overload can't work if players just pass the puck around the perimeter and stand still. The D will not have to move.
Not each system is ideal for every team. You have to pick the right system for your personel. I have never seen the first and second PP play the exact same system. Why would they, they have different strengths. Running the same PP regardless of personel is like trying to make a triple chocolate cake using fruits and nuts as your ingredients. Doesn't taste good and Julia Childs would not approve.
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Oswego went 8 for 18 on the power play in the Pathfinder Classic but has went 0 for 16 since. They gained the zone with ease against Hamilton 5 on 5 but with a man up they were terrible. On the Power Play you have to out work the penalty killers and Oswego has had trouble doing that. Hamilton had many of the same problems that Oswego has had, not making smart plays and being either too patient or too impatient.
Oswego went 8 for 18 on the power play in the Pathfinder Classic but has went 0 for 16 since. They gained the zone with ease against Hamilton 5 on 5 but with a man up they were terrible. On the Power Play you have to out work the penalty killers and Oswego has had trouble doing that. Hamilton had many of the same problems that Oswego has had, not making smart plays and being either too patient or too impatient.
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Continentals shut out at the Citrus Bowl - second year in a row. Going back 10 years previous-it never happened. President Stewart and head of campus safety Monfredo were pleased that the packed house student body had no opportunity to heave oranges on the ice when Hamilton scored. In this post-Newtown world, Monfredo's gastronic gestapo were out in full force checking every bag for wayward fruit. Why would President Stewart ever want anyone to have fun like what is done with fish and octopi at other centers of learning and arenas around the country. Gee I just don't know why all these kids would attend a hockey game and not instead be quietly walking through the new Wellin Art museum. Now that was a great way to spend $$$ millions when the hockey arena doesn't have a single good viewing angle let alone a full time locker room for either the mens or womens hockey team.
Enough said about Hamilton politics. PP again 0-4: no scoring chances. Frankly, I do not see any system or plan to the PP. After the breakout, the next plan is zone entry and setup. Highly skilled teams carry it in. However, it has constantly been shown that the most successful PP's use the planned dump in and player overload on the puck to win the battle and get the puck to the point in order to set up. It sure appears that Hamilton tries to carry it and then there is no plan to get set up from the point. This constantly results in a turnover and yesterday four 3 on 2 going the other way. The dump is only used when the forwards are cut off and then there is no plan on the dump to overload the puck and win it and that again results in a turnover.
Hamilton had 4 scoring opportunities in the game with a player in front and no one was able to finish. Yes their injuries clearly hurt them in this situation. Why not more scoring opportunities? The team always plays 3 down low and rarely uses the point. Its almost as if the forwards think that if they give the puck to the D they will never get it back. They have several D who have put up points this year and years past. When the D does get the puck, they never go D-D to open up the lanes and regardless, the forwards never charge the net or get a deflection. This is a coaching issue. Why else is there no scoring? The F coast on zone entry and never charge and stop at the net. The zone entry forward never slows down to allow the "driving" forward time to get a rebound. This is a skill taught in HS and juniors but does not seem to be demanded of the coaching staff.
Lack of scoring puts tons of pressure on the D and goalie and a D error ended up costing the game. While Hamilton continues to use the most unorthodox D-zone system in North America, they are getting away with it against teams with similar talent...not against the Hobart's and Oswego's. Next up Wesleyan whom the Continentals have not beaten since 2008. Wonder if anyone will be hiding some oranges? Maybe we shouldn't tell Monfredo that its citrus bowl WEEKEND!
Continentals shut out at the Citrus Bowl - second year in a row. Going back 10 years previous-it never happened. President Stewart and head of campus safety Monfredo were pleased that the packed house student body had no opportunity to heave oranges on the ice when Hamilton scored. In this post-Newtown world, Monfredo's gastronic gestapo were out in full force checking every bag for wayward fruit. Why would President Stewart ever want anyone to have fun like what is done with fish and octopi at other centers of learning and arenas around the country. Gee I just don't know why all these kids would attend a hockey game and not instead be quietly walking through the new Wellin Art museum. Now that was a great way to spend $$$ millions when the hockey arena doesn't have a single good viewing angle let alone a full time locker room for either the mens or womens hockey team.
Enough said about Hamilton politics. PP again 0-4: no scoring chances. Frankly, I do not see any system or plan to the PP. After the breakout, the next plan is zone entry and setup. Highly skilled teams carry it in. However, it has constantly been shown that the most successful PP's use the planned dump in and player overload on the puck to win the battle and get the puck to the point in order to set up. It sure appears that Hamilton tries to carry it and then there is no plan to get set up from the point. This constantly results in a turnover and yesterday four 3 on 2 going the other way. The dump is only used when the forwards are cut off and then there is no plan on the dump to overload the puck and win it and that again results in a turnover.
Hamilton had 4 scoring opportunities in the game with a player in front and no one was able to finish. Yes their injuries clearly hurt them in this situation. Why not more scoring opportunities? The team always plays 3 down low and rarely uses the point. Its almost as if the forwards think that if they give the puck to the D they will never get it back. They have several D who have put up points this year and years past. When the D does get the puck, they never go D-D to open up the lanes and regardless, the forwards never charge the net or get a deflection. This is a coaching issue. Why else is there no scoring? The F coast on zone entry and never charge and stop at the net. The zone entry forward never slows down to allow the "driving" forward time to get a rebound. This is a skill taught in HS and juniors but does not seem to be demanded of the coaching staff.
Lack of scoring puts tons of pressure on the D and goalie and a D error ended up costing the game. While Hamilton continues to use the most unorthodox D-zone system in North America, they are getting away with it against teams with similar talent...not against the Hobart's and Oswego's. Next up Wesleyan whom the Continentals have not beaten since 2008. Wonder if anyone will be hiding some oranges? Maybe we shouldn't tell Monfredo that its citrus bowl WEEKEND!
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11goal loss?!?! Never before. Out planned, Out prepared, Out coached: though the latter implies there was any coaching what-so-ever.
No discipline. How else do you describe a 4th line forward delivering a hit from behind at the benches when the player doesnt have the puck.
No discipline. How else do you describe the lack of effort to back check for the constant and continuous 2:1, 3;1. Surprised the goalies haven't taken a stick to their own players.
A coach who has lost his team when there are no consequences for acts of omission.
Ranting done. What a joke.
11goal loss?!?! Never before. Out planned, Out prepared, Out coached: though the latter implies there was any coaching what-so-ever.No discipline. How else do you describe a 4th line forward delivering a hit from behind at the benches when the player doesnt have the puck.
No discipline. How else do you describe the lack of effort to back check for the constant and continuous 2:1, 3;1. Surprised the goalies haven't taken a stick to their own players.
A coach who has lost his team when there are no consequences for acts of omission.
Ranting done. What a joke.
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Good effort by continentals in tough loss to Colby. But there were extenuating circumstances. They did have to travel on a bus a very long way. And they had to eat food they were not used to, and miss class which was real dissappointing and then sleep in a strange bed. And there was some sand on the bus seats that got under their breezers and really chaffed some of the players. But the trainer brought plenty of preparation H so they should be good to go today.
Good effort by continentals in tough loss to Colby. But there were extenuating circumstances. They did have to travel on a bus a very long way. And they had to eat food they were not used to, and miss class which was real dissappointing and then sleep in a strange bed. And there was some sand on the bus seats that got under their breezers and really chaffed some of the players. But the trainer brought plenty of preparation H so they should be good to go today.