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Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
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So then I assume you will be turning yourself in for all the laws you have broken over the years...I mean it is THE LAW! (BTW Virgil was an authoritarian windbag in that film)
I love it though Mr. "Lets Give The Cops The Benefit Of The" is now second guess them because they are keeping a protest civil, peaceful and safe. They arent antagonizing the protesters and the protesters are leaving them alone for the most part and just venting...as they should. I dunno man seems like you want your pound of flesh to me. Even bbdl doesnt have a problem with this and I am pretty sure he wanted someone to drive an SUV through the protests at the U a year or so ago...
So then I assume you will be turning yourself in for all the laws you have broken over the years...I mean it is THE LAW! (BTW Virgil was an authoritarian windbag in that film)
I love it though Mr. "Lets Give The Cops The Benefit Of The" is now second guess them because they are keeping a protest civil, peaceful and safe. They arent antagonizing the protesters and the protesters are leaving them alone for the most part and just venting...as they should. I dunno man seems like you want your pound of flesh to me. Even bbdl doesnt have a problem with this and I am pretty sure he wanted someone to drive an SUV through the protests at the U a year or so ago...
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Seriously?
Tablet has camera, camera is used to take picture and video of kid. They are then edited, "meme" style stuff is added, and narration is added. You then leave video on tablet for all his classmates to watch. That really was beyond comprehension?
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Seriously?
Tablet has camera, camera is used to take picture and video of kid. They are then edited, "meme" style stuff is added, and narration is added. You then leave video on tablet for all his classmates to watch. That really was beyond comprehension?
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Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
Seems to be quite a movement to make Keith Ellison DNC Chair.
Warren and Bernie like the idea...good enough for me
Seems to be quite a movement to make Keith Ellison DNC Chair.
Warren and Bernie like the idea...good enough for me
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The thing is, none of this is shocking new information. You can't plead ignorance because it was all out there in the open. Tuesday was the litmus test.
EDIT: Sadly, the Russian diplomat thing seems like a nothingburger. Plenty of other real stuff to attack.
The thing is, none of this is shocking new information. You can't plead ignorance because it was all out there in the open. Tuesday was the litmus test.
EDIT: Sadly, the Russian diplomat thing seems like a nothingburger. Plenty of other real stuff to attack.
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Technically, they probably could be cited for an "unlawful gathering" or "loitering" or something else, by the letter of the law. As I have said, and have been consistent on, when they block a HIGHWAY, ok, line is drawn, time to start arresting people. And for the very few laws I have broken and have been caught for, I have paid whatever price that was dealt to me. FTR, that would be a parking ticket, and two fixit tickets. If I had been caught speeding on the way to Houghton (and I have sped) and if I was pulled over, I'd have paid the ticket. *shrug* I broke the law, knew the consequences.
Technically, they probably could be cited for an "unlawful gathering" or "loitering" or something else, by the letter of the law. As I have said, and have been consistent on, when they block a HIGHWAY, ok, line is drawn, time to start arresting people. And for the very few laws I have broken and have been caught for, I have paid whatever price that was dealt to me. FTR, that would be a parking ticket, and two fixit tickets. If I had been caught speeding on the way to Houghton (and I have sped) and if I was pulled over, I'd have paid the ticket. *shrug* I broke the law, knew the consequences.
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Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
I agree that 6M dem voters who didn't vote for Hillary are dumb but telling them that might not be the best strategy
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I am guessing you have broken other laws and not been caught for them. Better turn yourself in...
Lets end it at this, I will say the cops know more about this than we do. if they dont want to arrest them it isnt our job to tell them to.
On to other things:
She Tried To Tell Them Clinton Was In Trouble in Michigan
What she outlines is what I said early...the Dems took for granted that people understood that what they were doing and saying would help them. They never went there though to see how the people were living or how they felt.
I am guessing you have broken other laws and not been caught for them. Better turn yourself in...
Lets end it at this, I will say the cops know more about this than we do. if they dont want to arrest them it isnt our job to tell them to.
On to other things:
She Tried To Tell Them Clinton Was In Trouble in Michigan
What she outlines is what I said early...the Dems took for granted that people understood that what they were doing and saying would help them. They never went there though to see how the people were living or how they felt.
Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
The protesters are not turning themselves in. Arresting them now would be catching them in the act. There is a difference.
Edit: if some protester said they were part of an illegal blocking of a highway during (insert protest) 3 months ago...sorry, didn't catch you, can't bust you. Can't imagine the statute of limitations is that long for something like that.
The protesters are not turning themselves in. Arresting them now would be catching them in the act. There is a difference.
Edit: if some protester said they were part of an illegal blocking of a highway during (insert protest) 3 months ago...sorry, didn't catch you, can't bust you. Can't imagine the statute of limitations is that long for something like that.
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I know it is...but since the Trump University suit is going to be settled and Jane Doe seems reluctant to go public I dont see anything taking him down.
I know it is...but since the Trump University suit is going to be settled and Jane Doe seems reluctant to go public I dont see anything taking him down.
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But the cops dont agree with you...so they would have to arrest themselves since the authorities wont.
The protesters are not turning themselves in. Arresting them now would be catching them in the act. There is a difference.
But the cops dont agree with you...so they would have to arrest themselves since the authorities wont.
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Your logic is dizzying. I'm saying the cops are in the wrong here. And fine, arrest themselves. But they won't, because of some blah blah entitlement whatever issue. And before anyone says anything, NO this is NOT a Millennial thing. There are all ages there.
Your logic is dizzying. I'm saying the cops are in the wrong here. And fine, arrest themselves. But they won't, because of some blah blah entitlement whatever issue. And before anyone says anything, NO this is NOT a Millennial thing. There are all ages there.
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Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
Lizzy Gets It
She needs to be the new model of the Democratic Party.
Lizzy Gets It
She needs to be the new model of the Democratic Party.
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I never excluded Dems that didn't vote, third parties, whatever. They all condoned it, and now they own it.
But boy did they ever teach me a lesson. I mean, Jamie Dimon. Wow. Maybe for their next trick, they can burn their own house down to really prove that they don't need to listen to no one because they're plenty smart enough on their own.
I agree that 6M dem voters who didn't vote for Hillary are dumb but telling them that might not be the best strategy
I never excluded Dems that didn't vote, third parties, whatever. They all condoned it, and now they own it.
But boy did they ever teach me a lesson. I mean, Jamie Dimon. Wow. Maybe for their next trick, they can burn their own house down to really prove that they don't need to listen to no one because they're plenty smart enough on their own.
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Why the hell would they arrest themselves that is the whole point. They wouldnt, just like you wouldnt turn yourself in for a crime you werent caught doing. The cops make these choices all the time, what crimes are worth dealing with and what ones arent and they are making the best possible one here and it isnt even close. They are making sure everyone is safe and everyone gets to have their voice heard. Why you have such a hardon for this I honestly dont get.
Its the cops job to deal with this. Its not our job to tell them how to do it. Everything is going well there are zero problems the only ones *****ing are the people on message boards/Facebook/Twitter who arent even being inconvenienced they just always have their underwear in a tizzy every time someone dares stand up and protest. For some reason certain people get off on people being punished for having a flipping opinion.
Again even bbdl is disagreeing with you...take a step back and think about that for a second. Your vitriol over this is rather astounding.
Why the hell would they arrest themselves that is the whole point. They wouldnt, just like you wouldnt turn yourself in for a crime you werent caught doing. The cops make these choices all the time, what crimes are worth dealing with and what ones arent and they are making the best possible one here and it isnt even close. They are making sure everyone is safe and everyone gets to have their voice heard. Why you have such a hardon for this I honestly dont get.
Its the cops job to deal with this. Its not our job to tell them how to do it. Everything is going well there are zero problems the only ones *****ing are the people on message boards/Facebook/Twitter who arent even being inconvenienced they just always have their underwear in a tizzy every time someone dares stand up and protest. For some reason certain people get off on people being punished for having a flipping opinion.
Again even bbdl is disagreeing with you...take a step back and think about that for a second. Your vitriol over this is rather astounding.
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When I see cars hitting the brakes hard on 94 b/c these protesters decided to walk across an interstate...yeah, I'm kinda mad. I'm not slamming my keyboard or tossing things across the room, if that's what you're implying, but I am very angry about it. You keep saying the cops know better, well, when they shoot someone, are you saying the same thing? Maybe, maybe not. It's situational, and in THIS situation, I think they are wrong.
When I see cars hitting the brakes hard on 94 b/c these protesters decided to walk across an interstate...yeah, I'm kinda mad. I'm not slamming my keyboard or tossing things across the room, if that's what you're implying, but I am very angry about it. You keep saying the cops know better, well, when they shoot someone, are you saying the same thing? Maybe, maybe not.
It's situational, and in THIS situation, I think they are wrong.Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
That's the way I've seen it for months:
You can cut out whatever percentage of his supporters are bigots, and the overwhelming majority of the rest are suckers.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong about Trump. I want him to be a positive president for this country. But from everything I have seen from him, I am not optimistic that is going to be the case.
My big concern now is how the Democrats respond to a President Trump and Republican majorities in both houses.
There are going to be a lot of things pushed through that will be hard to swallow. But that's the reality. So, how do you respond.
I hope the Democrats do not resort to the same sort of obstructionist tactics we have seen from congressional Republicans. It is tempting, I'm sure, and probably easily justifiable to the base. But it cedes any claim to a moral high ground and the charges of hypocrisy will ring true.
If Trump and the Republican Congress want to burn the economy down, I say let them. If they want to repeal the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood, as hard as it is to say, let them. Environmental protections, consumer safety and all kinds of other regulations...these things can, and likely will have to be, recovered later on down the road. If massive deportation actually does become a political reality (and I think it is simply too unworkable to be), mitigation is likely the best we can ask for.
The focus, and all available political capitol, needs to be squarely on maintaining voting rights - and other civil liberties when possible. Time and time again we have seen Republican state legislatures work to impede the ability of certain populations to get to the polls, and with a Trump administration that seems more than willing to suppress dissent and silence opposition I find myself very worried about what kind of steps may be taken to ensure a favorable turnout in future elections.
This is the one area where compromise cannot be made. If other issues must be bargained away to achieve this, so be it.
Then, it falls on not only the Democratic Party but on each and every one of us who are opposed to the ideas and rhetoric employed by Trump in this campaign - whether we are Democrats or not - to start laying the groundwork and instilling the sense of importance of getting more people engaged in the election process.
I've been pretty ****ing down the last two days. The idea that there were 60mil Americans willing to vote for Trump is the hardest part for me. I can honestly say I've never felt this disillusioned. But then I remind myself that the majority of Americans don't support Trump or what he ran on - it's just a lot of them didn't stand up and make their voices heard. That needs to change, and that is the ground on which this battle must be waged.
That's the way I've seen it for months:
You can cut out whatever percentage of his supporters are bigots, and the overwhelming majority of the rest are suckers.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong about Trump. I want him to be a positive president for this country. But from everything I have seen from him, I am not optimistic that is going to be the case.
My big concern now is how the Democrats respond to a President Trump and Republican majorities in both houses.
There are going to be a lot of things pushed through that will be hard to swallow. But that's the reality. So, how do you respond.
I hope the Democrats do not resort to the same sort of obstructionist tactics we have seen from congressional Republicans. It is tempting, I'm sure, and probably easily justifiable to the base. But it cedes any claim to a moral high ground and the charges of hypocrisy will ring true.
If Trump and the Republican Congress want to burn the economy down, I say let them. If they want to repeal the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood, as hard as it is to say, let them. Environmental protections, consumer safety and all kinds of other regulations...these things can, and likely will have to be, recovered later on down the road. If massive deportation actually does become a political reality (and I think it is simply too unworkable to be), mitigation is likely the best we can ask for.
The focus, and all available political capitol, needs to be squarely on maintaining voting rights - and other civil liberties when possible. Time and time again we have seen Republican state legislatures work to impede the ability of certain populations to get to the polls, and with a Trump administration that seems more than willing to suppress dissent and silence opposition I find myself very worried about what kind of steps may be taken to ensure a favorable turnout in future elections.
This is the one area where compromise cannot be made. If other issues must be bargained away to achieve this, so be it.
Then, it falls on not only the Democratic Party but on each and every one of us who are opposed to the ideas and rhetoric employed by Trump in this campaign - whether we are Democrats or not - to start laying the groundwork and instilling the sense of importance of getting more people engaged in the election process.
I've been pretty ****ing down the last two days. The idea that there were 60mil Americans willing to vote for Trump is the hardest part for me. I can honestly say I've never felt this disillusioned. But then I remind myself that the majority of Americans don't support Trump or what he ran on - it's just a lot of them didn't stand up and make their voices heard. That needs to change, and that is the ground on which this battle must be waged.
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Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
For Those That Believe in Miracles
Makes some interesting points...there is like no chance obviously but it is a fun idea.
For Those That Believe in Miracles
Makes some interesting points...there is like no chance obviously but it is a fun idea.
Re: Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order
I hope Trump proves us all wrong.
I think there are enough GOPers who care more about their jobs, that will block any hare-brained Trump idea that comes to light (obv Dems will block everything). There may be some useless token things, and Trump will tout them as major victories, but I don't see anything TRULY major changing outside of the Health Act (which I would be fine with).
I also hope that BOTH parties are listening to the message that America sent with voting Trump. Sick of political machines, the traditional system, etc etc etc, you all know the storyline.
I also hope that this week's rage from the anti-Trumpers (not ALL are Hillary supporters) dies down, and we can work to fix this stuff in 4 years.
I hope Trump proves us all wrong.
I think there are enough GOPers who care more about their jobs, that will block any hare-brained Trump idea that comes to light (obv Dems will block everything). There may be some useless token things, and Trump will tout them as major victories, but I don't see anything TRULY major changing outside of the Health Act (which I would be fine with).
I also hope that BOTH parties are listening to the message that America sent with voting Trump. Sick of political machines, the traditional system, etc etc etc, you all know the storyline.
I also hope that this week's rage from the anti-Trumpers (not ALL are Hillary supporters) dies down, and we can work to fix this stuff in 4 years.
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