This announcement makes it official
https://theuchc.com/news/2023/9/5/g...hockey-programs-to-join-uchc-in-2024-25.aspx?
https://theuchc.com/news/2023/9/5/g...hockey-programs-to-join-uchc-in-2024-25.aspx?
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Brockport and Geneseo to the UCHC in 2024-25
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Lord_Zubin
Puck Flattsburgh!!!
wow.. the uchc lost 4 true bottom feeder programs and replaced them with a team who has national tournament hopes every year and another team who's often near .500 the past decade quite the turnaround into a much more competitive conference. I geuss the MASCAC is the only joke conference left now (Until the MAC starts playing)
Hockeyguy1424
New member
How long before Oswego or Cortland join? Morrisville? Cortland and Morrisville already play football against most of the schools in UCHC/ Empire 8
They need to regroup, starting with the question of is the right person leading them?
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Wow some serious stuff, maybe this is the time for Oz to look to go D1 with The U??? never thought I would see 2 teams leave the YAC....
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
The SUNY system will never allow Oswego to go D1. Remember, they would have to elevate their entire athletic program (well, they could go D2), because you can no longer play just one sport up (except if you are D2 and you want your hockey team to play D1).
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Ok, then how did Albany,Bing and Buff go d1,never say never
Albany enrollment: 17k
Buffalo enrollment: 21k
Binghamton enrollment: 14k
Stony Brook: 25k
Oswego enrollment: 6k
SUNY isn't going to consider D1 for a school with under half the enrollment of their smallest D1 school.
bakdraft21
Well-known member
so your saying size matters.....;-))))
The SUNYAC is made up of four year comprehensive liberal arts colleges, a completely different animal from large research universities, and for reasons that go well beyond enrolment differences. The distinction is like night and day to Albany.
Canton has been denied membership in the SUNYAC for a similar reason (with a focus on applied education, not the liberal arts), and is now an associate member like Morrisville.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
And Stony Brook.
Because they were the only four Universities in the SUNY system, and at one point the SUNY system felt it was a good idea to move their Universities to D1, but keep the colleges at D3. I don't see that changing, especially in today's higher learning budgetary problems and NYS tax issues.
I'm saying never. Put it on my tombstone...
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Aren't many of the SUNYs becoming "Universities"???.......well anyway should be fun seeing the changes...Go Lakers!!!!
Lord_Zubin
Puck Flattsburgh!!!
according to the complete campus list on the suny website Bing, Albany, Buffalo and Stony Brook are considered university centers wheras the current sunyac schools are all considered university colleges so i don't think oswegos name change from "state university of new york college at oswego" to "state university of new york at oswego" really means all that much
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Exactly.
Buffalo State is now considered a university, but SUNY is not calling them a University Center. Like it was mentioned earlier, some of this definition difference comes from whether the school is a research and/or medical school.
Nobody else is going D1 in SUNY. Let's just end the conversation now.
KnightsOfTheRound
Hockey Knight in Boston
I don’t know how much the distinction really matters at the end of the day. There is research happening at the SUNY colleges and you can get advanced degrees at most of them. They are also larger than some “universities” by enrollment. The difference in naming is partly how SUNY chooses to market its state colleges to differentiate them from its university centers (I.e. focus on teaching and undergraduate experience versus graduate school and research).
The SUNYAC schools are certainly large enough to go D1 if SUNY wanted them to do so; whether it chooses to label them as colleges or universities is irrelevant for that purpose.
Lord_Zubin
Puck Flattsburgh!!!
I mean they do explicitly state that the university centers "top priorities" is research while also providing doctoral progams, whereas the rest of them aren't and instead are "focused on student success" and dont have doctoral programs. Since research often brings a lot of money in for schools Id imagine that's quite the distinction and explains why those 4 are d1 and the rest are d3.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Exactly.
In fact, that is part of the criteria for the Big Ten to accept schools in this crazy realignment era. They won't just take any big institution with a big football program. You also have to have a certain level of research programs for the Big Ten to consider you. That's also why a few years ago the Pac-12 was looking to add Texas, because they were a major research institution. Stony Brook has a massive medical center with one of the largest hospitals on Long Island that has done some groundbreaking research. There is no SUNY college that comes close to that sort of setup. And SUNY wanted these university centers to be D1 to be able to "compete" amongst the other research and medical institutions around the country from a marketing standpoint. (Interestingly, the University of Rochester also has a massive medical and hospital setup -- now the largest employer in the area -- and has also done massive amounts of research in all areas -- including the Manhattan Project. But that school has always been happy keeping their sports program at the D3 level.)
And the research grants bring in way more money than even the most successful sports programs do.
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ColdInRomney
Registered User
Well there goes the bulls$it about travel time and costs....