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Big Ten considers pay proposal
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Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
but the BCS schools can affford that kind of layout. The remainng FBS and FCS schools, not so much. The playups, probably not. It's just a case of the rich wanting to get richer.
Pretty soon we're going to see most, if not all, of the Div 1 championships belonging to the BCS schools (maybe they do now, but I've never checked).
Greed is good. Money is good. Lack of money is bad.
but the BCS schools can affford that kind of layout. The remainng FBS and FCS schools, not so much. The playups, probably not. It's just a case of the rich wanting to get richer.
Pretty soon we're going to see most, if not all, of the Div 1 championships belonging to the BCS schools (maybe they do now, but I've never checked).
Greed is good. Money is good. Lack of money is bad.
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
Basically the bigger schools want to start the arms race because they have all the arms... this will break college athletics as we know it... nevermind college hockey... the bigger problem is that college hockey has too few teams so if it did tear apart the big schools from the small then there won't be enough schools to make the sport be worth much.
Basically the bigger schools want to start the arms race because they have all the arms... this will break college athletics as we know it... nevermind college hockey... the bigger problem is that college hockey has too few teams so if it did tear apart the big schools from the small then there won't be enough schools to make the sport be worth much.
Yep, i doubt that it would ever pass, only about 20 schools athletic departments are in the black. This would just place a bigger burden on the have nots.
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Explain once more why DI and major junior hockey should not merge? It looks like they will soon be playing by the same off-ice rules. Their priorities are pretty much the same. Rosters will be stabilized and profits will soar, while players will not be distracted by trivial academic issues.
I won't say "I told you so." Not yet, but the day isn't far off.
Explain once more why DI and major junior hockey should not merge? It looks like they will soon be playing by the same off-ice rules. Their priorities are pretty much the same. Rosters will be stabilized and profits will soar, while players will not be distracted by trivial academic issues.
I won't say "I told you so." Not yet, but the day isn't far off.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
Because we don't want it to and because it won't work... once you substitute market economics for the small locations they'll fold up like a cheap tent and make a beeline for the bigger cities. People will NOT associate their school with a glorified minor league hockey team who does not attend classes.
What you will have to show is that they'll stay to these small cities and towns, won't move to greener pastures, and why fans and alumni will associate your clown league with their college.
edit: I would have NO interest in supporting my school under this framework and were THEY to agree with this i would dissociate myself from them due to their massive case lack of judgement. I doubt I'll be the only one.
Because we don't want it to and because it won't work... once you substitute market economics for the small locations they'll fold up like a cheap tent and make a beeline for the bigger cities. People will NOT associate their school with a glorified minor league hockey team who does not attend classes.
What you will have to show is that they'll stay to these small cities and towns, won't move to greener pastures, and why fans and alumni will associate your clown league with their college.
edit: I would have NO interest in supporting my school under this framework and were THEY to agree with this i would dissociate myself from them due to their massive case lack of judgement. I doubt I'll be the only one.
Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
Holy overreaction Batman.
As far as this proposal goes this is in a major way a good thing. These big power schools are making money hand over fist on these athletes in basketball and football. Due to NCAA rules they are restricted in taking jobs that can only earn them up to 2K during the school year. This ruling will at least give the athletes somewhat more of a cut of the money they are making for their schools.
As far as only the Big 10 getting everyone now I wouldn't quite go that far. There are a lot of decisions that factor into what school an athlete chooses. Academic reputation, what programs the school offers in his/her major, facilities, location,..etc. When it comes right down to it this is just a small amount of money and while having some impact won't be the end all factor.
Holy overreaction Batman.
As far as this proposal goes this is in a major way a good thing. These big power schools are making money hand over fist on these athletes in basketball and football. Due to NCAA rules they are restricted in taking jobs that can only earn them up to 2K during the school year. This ruling will at least give the athletes somewhat more of a cut of the money they are making for their schools.
As far as only the Big 10 getting everyone now I wouldn't quite go that far. There are a lot of decisions that factor into what school an athlete chooses. Academic reputation, what programs the school offers in his/her major, facilities, location,..etc. When it comes right down to it this is just a small amount of money and while having some impact won't be the end all factor.
Happy
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
Where's the news here? This kind of practice has been going on for decades and it is perfectly legal; with a twist...they actually have to [pretend to] do some work in exchange for their pay.
Non-scholarship schools have jobs available for their athletes to supplement the maintenance department....dorm crew, grounds crew, etc. You get a job that requires twenty minutes of work each day (that you actually have to do) and get paid for two hours of work each day.
I cleaned up the party room on Saturday and Sunday morning. It was distasteful work, it usually took around 45 minutes each morning, and I was paid for 4 hours of work (to compensate for the disgusting nature of the cleaning involved).
The only difference in this proposal is to sever the link between the work and the pay.
Where's the news here? This kind of practice has been going on for decades and it is perfectly legal; with a twist...they actually have to [pretend to] do some work in exchange for their pay.
Non-scholarship schools have jobs available for their athletes to supplement the maintenance department....dorm crew, grounds crew, etc. You get a job that requires twenty minutes of work each day (that you actually have to do) and get paid for two hours of work each day.
I cleaned up the party room on Saturday and Sunday morning. It was distasteful work, it usually took around 45 minutes each morning, and I was paid for 4 hours of work (to compensate for the disgusting nature of the cleaning involved).
The only difference in this proposal is to sever the link between the work and the pay.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
So your argument is they can't work as much as other students? Of course other students are, you know, PAYING TO GO TO SCHOOL.
The benefit most of these student-athletes get for making the schools money is a free education. They want extra spending money? Take out a loan and go into debt like the rest of us.
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It's not "my" league or my idea. I detest the idea of semipro [or pro] college hockey, bit ignoring reality won't make it go away. College sports are going pro, hockey is a college sport, and sticking your head in the sand or slandering the bearers of bad news won't improve the situation a stinking bit. Read the article!
It's not "my" league or my idea. I detest the idea of semipro [or pro] college hockey, bit ignoring reality won't make it go away. College sports are going pro, hockey is a college sport, and sticking your head in the sand or slandering the bearers of bad news won't improve the situation a stinking bit. Read the article!
SCSU Euro
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Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
Will ignoring you? Sorry, you teed yourself up there, and if I didn't do it first, someone else would have.
Will ignoring you? Sorry, you teed yourself up there, and if I didn't do it first, someone else would have.
JF_Gophers
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Re: Big Ten considers pay proposal
On the surface I agree that athletes should get some pay if they are in revenue sports (Football, Basketball). If the NCAA makes money off of you, you should be getting a cost of living payment. Nothing spectacular, but something.
The Big Ten isn't asking for athletes to be paid by all schools in all sports. They just want their schools to pay athletes. This would only affect recruiting, not the ability of small schools to field teams. As it would not change their budget at all if they chose not to pass a similar bylaw.
Also the teams still have a limit on how many can be on each team. So its not like the talent pool will be empty for non-paying schools. It will be the borderline kids who say "I can be the #1 guy at small_school_08 for free or I can be bench boy at Big_Ten_02 for $5000 a year."
On the surface I agree that athletes should get some pay if they are in revenue sports (Football, Basketball). If the NCAA makes money off of you, you should be getting a cost of living payment. Nothing spectacular, but something.
The Big Ten isn't asking for athletes to be paid by all schools in all sports. They just want their schools to pay athletes. This would only affect recruiting, not the ability of small schools to field teams. As it would not change their budget at all if they chose not to pass a similar bylaw.
Also the teams still have a limit on how many can be on each team. So its not like the talent pool will be empty for non-paying schools. It will be the borderline kids who say "I can be the #1 guy at small_school_08 for free or I can be bench boy at Big_Ten_02 for $5000 a year."
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If you're in a big time sports school in a revenue producing sport the school is making a ton of money off of you. Packing in 80K+ for a football game, another 10K+ for a bball game, sponsorship deals, and all that TV revenue tends to do that. It seems vastly unfair that all this revenue is being generated from these young men and they aren't even allowed to take a normal paying job to help pay for groceries, going to the movie theatre on a date, or have the money to fly home in case of a family emergency.
If you're in a big time sports school in a revenue producing sport the school is making a ton of money off of you. Packing in 80K+ for a football game, another 10K+ for a bball game, sponsorship deals, and all that TV revenue tends to do that. It seems vastly unfair that all this revenue is being generated from these young men and they aren't even allowed to take a normal paying job to help pay for groceries, going to the movie theatre on a date, or have the money to fly home in case of a family emergency.