Cops 8: I Am Out Of Here...

[Kepler]

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I am going to cut him a break...I know what he is saying but he just doesnt have all the information. He is falling into the trap he warns everyone else of...trust corporate media to tell the story. I am sure the MSNBC anchor is in tears watching this with their "Black Friend".

Kepler the protesters flat out knew this was going to happen. They said it on live TV. They marched down the streets they did for a reason. The cops knew to be there for a reason. The message was, and this is a direct ****ing quote "we dont care about peace we care about change". (which I agree with for the most part. They wanted to be seen on TV getting gassed and that is why they walked where they did for as long as they did.

If you think declaring open season on everybody on the streets tonight is an effective way to appeal to the community, welp, I guess we'll see. If it turns out that scouring the streets isolates a bunch of white nationalist agents provocateur and/or radical anarchist left wingers who are looking to exploit their pain for an ideological agenda, then yes, maybe it will be. I doubt it, but hey, it's your city.

[Kepler]

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Dude stop. IT WAS ****ING SAID ON WCCO!! They were chanting about CPD and referencing a dude killed there for resisting. They were wearing Chicago team colors.

edit: I am not trying to be a dick, I am really not. Please dont take that from my tone. But I am going to trust what the guy walking with the protesters was reporting over what you heard on MSNBC.

double edit: There was also two guys from Tulsa (one Black one White) who on TV who are backing up what we are all saying. They said whatever happens it is worth it.

I'm not trying to be a d-ck either. I'm fine with our disagreement and I get that some others will latch on to the ad hom stuff because they aren't capable of debating on facts. AFAIC, none of our opinions carries any weight. The people in the community, and the cops, will decide what happens and what it means. Whether you're watching on a teevee 5 miles away or 5,000, you're watching on a teevee.

[state of hockey]

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Seems the plan here was to get the streets as clear as possible before complete dark.

[Handyman]

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Well it worked. One half completely dispersed and the other half went back towards the 3rd precinct. Cops moving on to the next target near 35W.

[Kepler]

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Seems the plan here was to get the streets a clear a possible before complete dark.

Definitely. They are afraid (probably with good reason) that with darkness comes looting and arson, so they are emptying the streets with crowd control and whoever is left after nightfall is going to be assumed to be a rioter and rounded up.

[Handyman]

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I'm not trying to be a d-ck either. I'm fine with our disagreement and I get that some others will latch on to the ad hom stuff because they aren't capable of debating on facts. AFAIC, none of our opinions carries any weight. The people in the community, and the cops, will decide what happens and what it means. Whether you're watching on a teevee 5 miles away or 5,000, you're watching on a teevee.

Alright we are cool

[Handyman]

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Definitely. They are afraid (probably with good reason) that with darkness comes looting and arson, so they are emptying the streets with crowd control and whoever is left after nightfall is going to be assumed to be a rioter and rounded up.

That would be my guess as well.

FWIW it doesnt seem like many were arrested just forced out of the area. Protesters being smart not fighting just breaking up and moving on. If we seen anything big happen it will be an organized group outside of the people protesting right now.

[aparch]

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Watching WGN to see whats going on downtown Chicago.

Former police superintendent Garry McCarthy is being interviewed, spouting Anti-Fa conspiracy and WGN is just shutting him down.

[Kepler]

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Well it worked. One half completely dispersed and the other half went back towards the 3rd precinct. Cops moving on to the next target near 35W.

The guy on Unicorn Riot last night made the point that it's an air bubble -- push it down here and it has to go somewhere, so it pops up somewhere else. Unless they keep subdividing and subdividing and then actually start sweeping people up the people will coalesce someplace else, except now they'll be scared and angry and there will be injuries to take revenge for.

BTW, per MSNBC they are talking about how in Miami the protesters did provoke the cops, and they are saying the police basically did what they had to do to protect themselves and it was justified, so I think they are being pretty even-handed. But in any case you don't even need to listen to the hairdo narrative -- you can just watch the images.

[Handyman]

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The guy on Unicorn Riot last night made the point that it's an air bubble -- push it down here and it has to go somewhere, so it pops up somewhere else. Unless they keep subdividing and subdividing and then actually start sweeping people up the people will coalesce someplace else, except now they;'ll be scared and angry and there will be injuries to take revenge for.

That seems to be what they are doing. The added numbers allow them to split after they break the group up. Divide and conquer.

[state of hockey]

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The photographer Mike just interviewed was pretty great.

[Kepler]

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Watching WGN to see whats going on downtown Chicago.

Former police superintendent Garry McCarthy is being interviewed, spouting Anti-Fa conspiracy and WGN is just shutting him down.

Part of the problem with the protests being decentralized is that everyone the news media will interview will be either:

1) a politician, spinning for their interests,

2) LEO leaders, demonizing the protesters and white-washing the cops, or

3) a prominent local which means property interests which means f-ck their rights I gotta protect my sh-t.

Authoritarian structures always have a hierarchy. Popular movements are fluid. The media machine is built for the former and can't understand the latter so even if they were trying to be fair they couldn't be. So we get one POV, 24/7/365, all our lives, with commercial breaks.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The one thing to remind ourselves of is that we won't know the truth of a lot of this tonight, tomorrow, or next week. Fast breaking stories and to make it worse, this story is being repeated in dozens of cities simultaneously.

I will say I find it difficult to comprehend that most of the peaceful protesters are local, but most of the mischief makers are travelers. Some? Sure. Most? No way. Chicago sends the bad eggs to Minneapolis? Who is left then in Chicago to turn things to violence? When I saw all those things getting violent in Los Angeles earlier I am willing to bet the cops were not assaulting a bunch of people from Minnesota.

I know that Handy saw interviews by local reporters, and certainly there were people who came from afar. But I read an article earlier in some Gannet paper or another that despite what was said by Minnesota authorities about the majority of those arrested being from out of state that may not have been entirely true. It turns out that most were not only from Minnesota, most were from the Twin Cities area.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Madison WI channels now carrying live reports from Madison. Apparently they had a very peaceful protest earlier, but later in the day things took a turn for the worse. Not a huge amount of violence but some windows broken, maybe a car overturned. No curfew yet, but mayor says that circumstances might make that change.

[state of hockey]

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We've got sport bikes racing up and down Penn in my neighborhood. Weird.