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  • Originally posted by The Rube View Post
    Exactly. I just hope to vote for more balance after the shooting of the left hand.

    hint: Bernie wouldn't do that. Warren, maybe. Amy? For sure. Biden: I have no clue on that guy anymore, but he's leaning towards the Bernie.
    What exactly is it about liberals you find so unacceptable?

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    • Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
      I would think previous elections would have taught us that a more populist message appeals to those voters.
      I think you’re out of touch with where the average rust belt voter is now.

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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

        Originally posted by The Rube View Post
        This is the part that scares me. Of course ANYTHING replacing Trump is better...but moving forward, is that "anything" going to do as much damage? Don't get me wrong, for a term, sure. Vote whoever in. But long term? Uh.............
        There is not a single D candidate who would do anywhere near as much harm as trump. That's not the question. The question is whether there are some who are more liberal than you are ready for. And the answer is probably.
        Last edited by burd; 11-21-2019, 06:19 AM.

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        • Originally posted by BassAle View Post
          I think you’re out of touch with where the average rust belt voter is now.
          The average rust belt voter loves the establishment? Loves having their health insurance tied to a job which may no longer exist? I know how much I enjoyed watching my job move to India. That must be the part they love the most.

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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

            Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
            The average rust belt voter loves the establishment? Loves having their health insurance tied to a job which may no longer exist? I know how much I enjoyed watching my job move to India. That must be the part they love the most.
            they're scared of socialism, "PC culture", and brown people.

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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

              Originally posted by The Rube View Post
              I am talking past the initial change. As you and others here know, I am not extreme left. I don't want extreme left. Is it better than Trump? Yes. No doubt. BUT, do I want THAT extreme? No. I do not want that, either.
              The "extreme left" that you're worried about are the economic policies we had under Truman and Eisenhower in the 1950s. The fact that it's 10,000 miles from where are now doesn't mean it's Marxism. It means the wealthy went on a bender the last 50 years and pushed this country back to the 1880s.
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              • Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                they're scared of socialism, "PC culture", and brown people.
                They're scared of the word Socialism. They love the policies of universal health, a living wage, taxing Wall Street...but when people label it "Socialism" they get nervous. A reaction borne from the Cold War. Happily the younger generations aren't concerned with that label because they don't associate it with the Soviet Union, they associate it with Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan - you know, the rest of the civilized world.

                As for not liking brown people, they somehow managed to vote for Obama twice so they might be better at putting aside those prejudices than you think.

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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                  Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                  They're scared of the word Socialism. They love the policies of universal health, a living wage, taxing Wall Street...but when people label it "Socialism" they get nervous. A reaction borne from the Cold War. Happily the younger generations aren't concerned with that label because they don't associate it with the Soviet Union, they associate it with Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan - you know, the rest of the civilized world.

                  As for not liking brown people, they somehow managed to vote for Obama twice so they might be better at putting aside those prejudices than you think.
                  I have this talk with my conservative evangelical boss all the time: let's say there are two kinds of error, alpha and beta. Alpha error is when we provide everybody decent circumstances but some people take advantage and freeload. Beta error is when we make people work and let everybody keep whatever they earn, so nobody can freeload, but there are some people who work as hard as they can but still get screwed.

                  My boss fixates on alpha error. It's what he worries about it. Any discussion of the relative merits of economic systems makes him leap to examples of freeloaders. I fixate on beta error. I am willing to pay the friction cost of having some people freeload as long as everybody who tries can have a good life.

                  I think this is the core difference between the two of us and he agrees. The fascinating thing to me is he's the one who has made a sincere commitment to follow Jesus' teachings and I'm the ostensibly morally ambiguous atheist. By all rights, we should be reversed.
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                    Fixed
                    Precious.

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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      Joe Biden: I am endorsed by the only black female senator in history

                      Kamala Harris: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
                      I've only hear about this. How did she look? That must have been a moment.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                        I have been saying for years that until the Boomers die off Socialism is going to be the Boogeyman. It isnt right but it is the truth. And no amount of educating them at this point is going to change that. The only way to get them on board is to take away what they already have. No one wants to get rid of socialism if it is their socialism being taken away.
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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          I have been saying for years that until the Boomers die off Socialism is going to be the Boogeyman. It isnt right but it is the truth. And no amount of educating them at this point is going to change that. The only way to get them on board is to take away what they already have. No one wants to get rid of socialism if it is their socialism being taken away.
                          How hard is it for some young charismatic democratic socialist to say, "What would you call making sure our nation's children and veterans and elderly and sick get a fair shake? I call it Americanism!" Mic drop, the end.

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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            How hard is it for some young democratic socialist to say, "What would call making sure our nation's children and veterans and elderly and sick get a fair shake? I call it Americanism!" Mic drop, the end.
                            They can say it until they are blue in the face...Boomer Dems are no better than Boomer GOPers they care about themselves first and a very distant second is anyone else.
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                            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                              Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
                              I don't think their plans will speak well to the swing voters needed to flip back MI, WI and PA so therefore is a losing proposition.
                              Bernie won Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016, so...

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                              • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                                Bernie won Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016, so...
                                In the general election? Note i said swing voters needed to flip the state.... not democratic voters needed to win the democratic primary. Big difference...

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