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  • #916
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    This isn't good news.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/polit...ion/index.html



    The part in bold will not be reported on Fox News or Breitbart or any other Right Wing "News" source.
    Depends on what the alteration was? Did it serve to obscure, or make clearer, evidence and processes? Was it benign or malicious?

    Problem is, Barr was given carte Blanche to reclassify anything he wanted, at will. So he can pick and choose, selectively edit, and otherwise portray whatever he has in the worst light possible.

    And there's no way to counter or disprove those accusations, cause the underlying documentation is classified. And you know Barr and Trump won't allow it to be declassified. Just like you know how State will give Lyndsey every document and piece of paper they have on Ukraine, Burisma and the Biden's for his little "investigation", while continuing to with old it from the impeachment committee.
    What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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    • #917
      Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

      Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
      Every election someone says "this is the most important election..." Well, in 2020 it is actually true.
      Until they invent time travel, it will always be true.
      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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      • #918
        Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
        Until they invent time travel, it will always be true.
        As long as weapons get more powerful and humans get more numerous, it arguably is true.

        But I can't think of a time when defeating a specific political ideology was more important in American history other than 1800 (the assurance that we truly could have a peaceful transfer of power) and 1860 (defeating the slavers at the ballot box before defeating them in the battlefield). The third one was 1980, and we blew that one.

        Now we're fighting Nazis. Fighting Nazis is pretty important.
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        • #919
          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          As long as weapons get more powerful and humans get more numerous, it arguably is true.

          But I can't think of a time when defeating a specific political ideology was more important in American history other than 1800 (the assurance that we truly could have a peaceful transfer of power) and 1860 (defeating the slavers at the ballot box before defeating them in the battlefield). The third one was 1980, and we blew that one.

          Now we're fighting Nazis. Fighting Nazis is pretty important.
          I wouldn't put 1980 in there. Sure, in hindsight, but at the time, I don't think anyone could have imagined the magnitude of the consequences that election would have.
          What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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          • #920
            Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

            Moral cripple fight.
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            • #921
              Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

              Originally posted by rufus View Post
              I wouldn't put 1980 in there. Sure, in hindsight, but at the time, I don't think anyone could have imagined the magnitude of the consequences that election would have.
              I recall the debate of the time. Plenty of us -- even many Republicans - understood the magnitude and said so, vocally. You don't betray the principles of the country without somebody get their panties in a twist about it; that's the pesky thing about representative democracy.

              But it underlines how vital getting these things right, is. Even the 1980 tragedy, which was still far less significant than the 1800 or 1860 (or 1932) triumphs, has been a nightmare for this country for a half century and has led directly to this moment of crisis. I'm sure there were chances in the 30-year lead up to the Civil War to mitigate the damage but the country was too distracted or lazy. The same has been true beginning with Reagan and now here we are. You cannot appease terrorists. Munich begets all that comes after.

              There seems to be a very rough timetable of 50 year increments:

              1800 + 60 years
              1860 + 72
              1932 + 48
              1980 + 40
              2020

              If we get this right and then truly uproot and burn out the filth then maybe we'll be safe again until 2070 or so. I'd like that. My entire adult life has been lived during a period of American decline. I'd like to see us become a nation to be proud of again.
              Last edited by Kepler; 11-22-2019, 10:27 AM.
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              • #922
                Originally posted by rufus View Post
                I wouldn't put 1980 in there. Sure, in hindsight, but at the time, I don't think anyone could have imagined the magnitude of the consequences that election would have.
                I would.
                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                • #923
                  Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                  "I went over the facts in my head, and admired how much uglier the situation had just become. Over the years I've learned that ignorance is more than just bliss. It's freaking orgasmic ecstasy".- Harry Dresden, Blood Rites


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                  • #924
                    Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                    Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                    Actually more than that. 40% of the country thinks trump is innocent and everything negative about him is part of a deep-state witchhunt. But even a good number of democrats don't support impeachment. Recent polls are startling to me. At best this whole process won't have a measurable impact on what happens next November. At worst, combined with every illegal act we know the president and the republican machine will attempt, this could blow up in our faces.
                    Do you have a source for this statement? Polling has bumped around within the margin of error but generally a small majority in some polls and a plurality in others shows the public in general in favor of impeachment. Dems are overwhelmingly in favor from anything I've seen.

                    But don't be a Scooby. Educated voters are ditching the GOP in droves, which is why 2020 will have Dem governors in Kentucky and Louisiana along with a Dem House of Representatives. They're ditching because of the utter lunacy of the right, which is being made clear with the impeachment hearings.
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                    • #925
                      Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                      Nobody thinks Dump, his gang, or his voters can be shamed. They have no shame.
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                      • #926
                        About time someone wrote that.
                        **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                        • #927
                          Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          Do you have a source for this statement? Polling has bumped around within the margin of error but generally a small majority in some polls and a plurality in others shows the public in general in favor of impeachment. Dems are overwhelmingly in favor from anything I've seen.

                          But don't be a Scooby. Educated voters are ditching the GOP in droves, which is why 2020 will have Dem governors in Kentucky and Louisiana along with a Dem House of Representatives. They're ditching because of the utter lunacy of the right, which is being made clear with the impeachment hearings.
                          Lol.
                          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                          • #928
                            Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                            Shep buys an indulgence.
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                            • #929
                              Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              Do you have a source for this statement? Polling has bumped around within the margin of error but generally a small majority in some polls and a plurality in others shows the public in general in favor of impeachment. Dems are overwhelmingly in favor from anything I've seen.

                              But don't be a Scooby. Educated voters are ditching the GOP in droves, which is why 2020 will have Dem governors in Kentucky and Louisiana along with a Dem House of Representatives. They're ditching because of the utter lunacy of the right, which is being made clear with the impeachment hearings.
                              per 538 support for impeachment is dropping: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

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                              • #930
                                Re: POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Shep buys an indulgence.
                                Nice

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