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  • #76
    Originally posted by wildcatcard View Post
    Not 2nd Fiddler, it will be Third b/c the guy from Northeastern pulled out. Plus now rumors are Nate is getting job in Ottawa, so If I were KM I'd hold still at Providence! (Nate has NHL in his sites, sorry but Providence job is better than SLU)
    That would assume that Providence wouldn't go after Rick Bennett who is an alum and former Prov. AC... and was runner up for BU job last year. ..Mayotte's offer might come from Union, not Friars... intrigue !!! None of this good is good news for Saints fans.
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    • #77
      Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

      SLU seems like they put all their eggs in the Lang basket but there are alot of very competent Assistants out there Mayotte, Keefe even a Riga from QPac would all be good choices. Success in Atlantic doesn't necessarily translate to success in the ECAC; look at Smith at RPI he can't keep recruits and many existing players are leaving. That experiment has been an abject failure.
      "Rick not want to be know as tough guy, Rick want to be known as team guy" Rick "Mongo" Bennett

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      • #78
        Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
        SLU seems like they put all their eggs in the Lang basket but there are alot of very competent Assistants out there Mayotte, Keefe even a Riga from QPac would all be good choices. Success in Atlantic doesn't necessarily translate to success in the ECAC; look at Smith at RPI he can't keep recruits and many existing players are leaving. That experiment has been an abject failure.

        I think Smith needs more time at RPI, but that aside, RPI isn't exactly committed to the hockey program right now.

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        • #79
          Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

          Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
          SLU seems like they put all their eggs in the Lang basket but there are alot of very competent Assistants out there Mayotte, Keefe even a Riga from QPac would all be good choices. Success in Atlantic doesn't necessarily translate to success in the ECAC; look at Smith at RPI he can't keep recruits and many existing players are leaving. That experiment has been an abject failure.
          Why exactly would Jerry Keefe or Kris Mayotte leave Hockey East schools where they compete for national championships every year, most likely make more money as assistants then the head job will pay at SLU, and most likely are in line for the head jobs at their present schools when the head coaches eventually leave for NHL jobs (which could be sooner then later) - for a place with a D2 budget in the middle of nowhere? You think Carvy would recommend to Mayotte to take the job after some of the bad blood that Carvy as had with the school the last few years...?

          I think there may be some realism needed in this coaching search...
          Last edited by chrisP; 04-27-2019, 03:36 PM.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by chrisP View Post
            Why exactly would Jerry Keefe or Kris Mayotte leave Hockey East schools where they compete for national championships every year, most likely make more money as assistants then the head job will pay at SLU, and most likely are in line for the head jobs at their present schools when the head coaches eventually leave for NHL jobs (which could be sooner then later) - for a place with a D2 budget in the middle of nowhere? You think Carvy would recommend to Mayotte to take the job after some of the bad blood that Carvy as had with the school the last few years...?

            I think there may be some realism needed in this coaching search...
            Well put....

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            • #81
              Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

              Originally posted by chrisP View Post
              Why exactly would Jerry Keefe or Kris Mayotte leave Hockey East schools where they compete for national championships every year, most likely make more money as assistants then the head job will pay at SLU, and most likely are in line for the head jobs at their present schools when the head coaches eventually leave for NHL jobs (which could be sooner then later) - for a place with a D2 budget in the middle of nowhere? You think Carvy would recommend to Mayotte to take the job after some of the bad blood that Carvy as had with the school the last few years...?

              I think there may be some realism needed in this coaching search...
              Asst jobs in HE don't pay as much as HC jobs. They offered Lang 200k; that's way more than an assistant makes.
              "Rick not want to be know as tough guy, Rick want to be known as team guy" Rick "Mongo" Bennett

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              • #82
                Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
                Asst jobs in HE don't pay as much as HC jobs. They offered Lang 200k; that's way more than an assistant makes.
                How do you define "way more"? $20, $50, $75K more?

                Over under on Coach HIRED by Memorial day?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by wildcatcard View Post
                  How do you define "way more"? $20, $50, $75K more?

                  Over under on Coach HIRED by Memorial day?
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                  • #84
                    Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                    Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
                    SLU seems like they put all their eggs in the Lang basket but there are alot of very competent Assistants out there Mayotte, Keefe even a Riga from QPac would all be good choices. Success in Atlantic doesn't necessarily translate to success in the ECAC; look at Smith at RPI he can't keep recruits and many existing players are leaving. That experiment has been an abject failure.
                    It is not a failure yet. He still is trying to replace the culture of the previous regime. Losing players happens everywhere these days.
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                    • #85
                      Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                      Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
                      Asst jobs in HE don't pay as much as HC jobs. They offered Lang 200k; that's way more than an assistant makes.
                      It was actually even more than $200,000 that they offered him.
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                      • #86
                        Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                        They are trying to work on properly funding the hockey program. There are those that are basing their expectation on the administrations past mistakes that either won't see it or don't care to see it because all they care about is complaining about literally everything that they do. It's time to let the people that were hired to do a job do their job and focus our energy on building the program up instead of trying to constantly tear it down. It gets really tiring after awhile.
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                        6 time ECAC Champions: 1962, 1988, 1989, 1992, 2000, 2001
                        4 time ECAC Runner-Ups: 1964, 1987, 1991, 1999
                        2 time ECAC Cleary Cup Champions: 2000, 2007
                        16 NCAA Tournament Appearances: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1992, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2007
                        9 NCAA Frozen Four Appearances: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1988, 2000
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                        • #87
                          Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                          Originally posted by Saints#1 View Post
                          It was actually even more than $200,000 that they offered him.
                          Well, is it "way more" or how much more? Is it on par with the RT 11 rival coach? (Rumor at $289). Still wondering what the top tier A/C make in HE?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by wildcatcard View Post
                            Well, is it "way more" or how much more? Is it on par with the RT 11 rival coach? (Rumor at $289). Still wondering what the top tier A/C make in HE?
                            Well by state records Barr makes just under 130K. Hard to tell comparison with other schools PC and NU aren’t as easy to get salary figures. Both Leaman and Madigan have made big deals about making sure their assistants are well taken care of when they got their deals. Also those coaches have retained these assistants. Suggests they are getting a bit more. Keefe especially since turning his nose up at SLU isn’t first time as walked away from Merrimack too last year. Might not be more but difference not enough to persuade him to forgo waiting for a better paycheck at higher profile school

                            Add in BU has an assistant who while not a direct route to job at BU was a head coach

                            Also heard it was Barr who pulled out of RPI search (his alma mater) a couple of years ago

                            Then look at rosters all programs with same head coach have at least one assistant with them for at least 5 years. Pay has to be high enough to keep some continuity in program.
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                            • #89
                              Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                              For what it's worth from a long in the tooth observer: To be a successful DI ice hockey coach at a small liberal arts DIII school involves a particular skill set as exemplified by Carvy, Joe Marsh, Wellsy and a few others. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that SLU will not be reaching into the professional ranks, a la MM, for a successor. Lesson learned! Historically we have had great success in many sports - not to mention Presidents- by appointing from within the "SLU family."
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                              • #90
                                Re: SLU Skating Saints Hockey '18-'19

                                Originally posted by Ivan Lennon View Post
                                To be a successful DI ice hockey coach at a small liberal arts DIII school involves a particular skill set as exemplified by Carvy, Joe Marsh, Wellsy and a few others.
                                Yes ... you're the equivalent to a snake charmer. You make your recruits and players believe they get the same (budget/financial support) as the top dog D-1 programs. Actually, Clarkson can be used as an example. Also, which coach in their right might would want to go into a situation where the players that can't play have to stay!!?? It will be interesting to see who takes the bait.
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