2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

I give up. All this exchange has done is shown there are two issues rather than just the initial one that you have poorly informed views of.

I don't have "your" views. Not saying right or wrong, but rather than disagree and discuss, it's "dismiss." No worries. I'm used to it.

[jerphisch]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

Pretty sure the #1 complaint in Spain is wait times. Americans are more likely to die waiting for service than Spaniards.

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

Pretty sure the #1 complaint in Spain is wait times. Americans are more likely to die waiting for service than Spaniards.

Hate to do this, but it gets pulled on me: source?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

OECD is one of the best sources for country comparison data.

[aparch]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

Shhhhh. No one tell Rube that in Finland automobile speeding ticket fines are set to a percentage of your income.

[Stauber1]

I don't have "your" views. Not saying right or wrong, but rather than disagree and discuss, it's "dismiss." No worries. I'm used to it.

It's not about disagreement in views, it's about lack of information in forming them.

You don't understand what a progressive tax system is, you don't know what out of pocket costs are for Americans for things that are government sponsored elsewhere, you don't know how the Canadian health system manages medical priorities or have a grasp for the actual wait times for different types of priorities, and you don't know the reasons for the wait times that do exist (not to mention what seems to be an idealized perception of American health care that doesn't match reality).

I've tried to have a discussion, bit it's tough when you insist on being so unwilling to accept the need to better educate yourself on some of these things.

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

I hate to say it, but you give off the impression of someone who has based their opinions entirely on water-cooler talk and neighborhood gossip, but never taken the time to obtain real information.

All I can say is do a little bit of homework. Again, it doesn't take much but you have to be willing to do a little bit.

But it's a duck either way. Put aside the issue as to weather it takes 4-6 weeks to get a particular surgery here or 6-8 in Canada. Or how many specialists you need to enlist to convince your insurance company it's something that you really do need, or whether you need to obtain legal aid to show it's something they actually must cover.

We're talking about tax rates and what else you need to consider when making comparisons.

I see no questions here. Just dismissals.

[Stauber1]

I see no questions here. Just dismissals.

You're ducking again, man.

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

I hate to say it, but you give off the impression of someone who has based their opinions entirely on water-cooler talk and neighborhood gossip, but never taken the time to obtain real information.

All I can say is do a little bit of homework. Again, it doesn't take much but you have to be willing to do a little bit.

But it's a duck either way. Put aside the issue as to weather it takes 4-6 weeks to get a particular surgery here or 6-8 in Canada. Or how many specialists you need to enlist to convince your insurance company it's something that you really do need, or whether you need to obtain legal aid to show it's something they actually must cover.

We're talking about tax rates and what else you need to consider when making comparisons.

You're ducking again, man.

Another dismissal.

[Stauber1]

Another dismissal.

And you'll never have to examine anything if every time it is suggested to you, you're being unfairly treated.

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

And you'll never have to examine anything if every time it is suggested to you, you're being unfairly treated.

bs (c) Scooby

Not sure what that means, but apparently it a legit response.

[jerphisch]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

It's old, but: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=112014770

The most common complaint of patients is the long wait to see specialists and undergo certain procedures. On the other hand, a study published last year in the U.S. journal Health Affairs found that in Spain, there are a third fewer deaths caused by delayed access to health care than in the United States.

[joecct]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

How did cricket get in the discussion? You're talking about ducks and dismissals. If somebody brings up DRS, I'll pull what hair I have remaining out!

Seriously, look at France and see what you can steal. From what I read, it's not NHS,but it's not the free for all you have here

As it is, Big Pharma rules all with Big Insurance playing god.

[BassAle]

Hello, left field.

Electing Trump was not acceptable, so don't know where that came from.

And really check out Canada as to the "health care for all." It's not like here. "Oh there's something wrong, I'll just walk right in." Not there.

Lol, in many places in the US you might have to wait 3-6 months to see some kinds of specialists.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

It's not about disagreement in views, it's about lack of information in forming them.

You don't understand what a progressive tax system is, you don't know what out of pocket costs are for Americans for things that are government sponsored elsewhere, you don't know how the Canadian health system manages medical priorities or have a grasp for the actual wait times for different types of priorities, and you don't know the reasons for the wait times that do exist (not to mention what seems to be an idealized perception of American health care that doesn't match reality).

I've tried to have a discussion, bit it's tough when you insist on being so unwilling to accept the need to better educate yourself on some of these things.

Good post.