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Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostBarack Obama urged the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls on Friday to “pay some attention to where voters actually are," warning them that listening to closely to liberal Twitter will put them out of step with voters.
— Dan Merica (@merica) November 16, 2019
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostJFK was not a liberal. His foreign policy was more hawkish than Eisenhower and his fear of communism was legendary. He cut the top marginal tax rate by more than Reagan did.
We remember JFK as a liberal darling because Bobby was a liberal (and the brains of the outfit) and because he was murdered and is therefore a Democratic Saint. But he was backpeddling from FDR as fast as his shapely legs could go. It was LBJ himself who enacted the great liberal policies of the 60s but he was destroyed by Vietnam.**NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.
Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Originally posted by The Rube View Post.
This is what some of the uber-left don't realize about themselves.
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Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View PostNo one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View PostNo one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.Cornell University
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostThe dems lost like 1000 state seats and every lever of power in the federal government largely due to his management of the party.**NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.
Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostThis is another fact that people just don't understand or get. Not only did he lose all those seats while he ran the party but he also tried over and over and over again to negotiate with the terrorists.
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostThis is another fact that people just don't understand or get. Not only did he lose all those seats while he ran the party but he also tried over and over and over again to negotiate with the terrorists.
You keep hammering this negotiate with terrorists narrative but unless you have a majority...things aren't going to get passed otherwise.
Hell the Republicans had a majority when Trump was elected and a lot of things still didn't get passed and nothing is being passed now.
Vote them out sure...but without the majority...i'd love to know how you expect legislation to get done without negotiations..."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
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Yes but let’s not act like giving banks money to illegally foreclose peoples’ homes (putting black wealth and home ownership rates back to what they were 100 years prior) whole offering virtually nothing to homeowners did nothing to lead to that wave election cycle.
Obviously I see your point that he can’t really negotiate with a side that has no interest in doing so but it’s not like he did anything to keep the power he initially had either.Last edited by trixR4kids; 11-16-2019, 11:27 AM.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostProbably because they’re borderline republicans and don’t actually care about winning or taking the type of steps necessary to restore peoples’ faith in government and sustainably defeat fascism long term.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostThe dems lost like 1000 state seats and every lever of power in the federal government largely due to his management of the party.
Please retire this talking point. I understand it is attractive given our impatience with the party apparatus' "pragmatic" betrayal of liberals in order to field centrist candidates who then lose because of their lack of appeal and inability to broaden the electoral base. I share your frustration with the narratives that apparently never die that the only way for us to win is to tip toe around the Plutes' aggressive bullsh-t about "job creation" or "punishing success."
I get all that.
But the talking about Obama losing 1000 state leg seats because he was a wimp has been refuted. It is dead. One difference between liberals and conservatives is we do not continue to repeat untruths simply because they are useful.Cornell University
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538 is trash and didn’t debunk that point at all lol. It wasn’t because he was a wimp, it’s because he went back on a lot of his campaign promises and his actions didn’t come close to resembling his rhetoric at which point people lost even more faith in our democracy and didn’t turn out for Hillary or any of the down ballot elections.Last edited by trixR4kids; 11-16-2019, 11:58 AM.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostYes but let’s not act like giving banks money to illegally foreclose peoples’ homes (putting black wealth and home ownership rates back to what they were 100 years prior) whole offering virtually nothing to homeowners did nothing to lead to that wave election cycle.
Obviously I see your point that he can’t really negotiate with a side that has no interest in doing so but it’s not like he did anything to keep the power he initially had either.
Blaming it all on Obama is short-sighted.
And BTW...your boy Bernie...isnt going to be some magic uniter either."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
-Gallagher
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