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  • #406
    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Keep in mind in many states you can register as an independent, vote for Weld in the Republican primary, then if you please vote for the democrat in the general.

    What’s better than 2 opportunities to vote against trump.

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    • #407
      Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

      Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
      Keep in mind in many states you can register as an independent, vote for Weld in the Republican primary, then if you please vote for the democrat in the general.

      What’s better than 2 opportunities to vote against trump.
      It would be great to see a groundswell for Weld but do you see him out there on the campaign trail every day fulminating against Dump? Bill's heart isn't in it. This seems like he's just positioning himself to say I Told You So after Dump kills Ivanka and himself in the Mar-e-Lago bunker.
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      • #408
        Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

        Are there any winner take all primaries left?

        If the field doesn't winnow, we could have the fun of a brokered convention with the nomination speeches taking a full day.
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        • #409
          Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

          Democratic primaries are all proportional. Classic DNC stupidity.
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          • #410
            Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

            Originally posted by bronconick View Post
            Democratic primaries are all proportional. Classic DNC stupidity.
            In what way stupid? It's democratic. Sure, it doesn't artificially magnify a lead and that likely extends the primaries, but on balance the virtues outweigh the political inconvenience.
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            • #411
              Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              In what way stupid? It's democratic. Sure, it doesn't artificially magnify a lead and that likely extends the primaries, but on balance the virtues outweigh the political inconvenience.
              The last two dragged out for months past when it was effectively over and it'll be a massive cluster**** next fall when a contested convention embitters the losers to stay home in November.
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              • #412
                Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                The last two dragged out for months past when it was effectively over and it'll be a massive cluster**** next fall when a contested convention embitters the losers to stay home in November.
                Obama turned out fine.

                For that matter, Dump took forever and that turned out fine. Well, for them. Well, for him. Maybe.

                Hillary's problem wasn't that it took a long time to wrap it up. It was that she wrapped it up.

                The cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy. What we should do is randomize the primaries and tighten the schedule. Get it all over in 8 weeks, have 6 or 7 primaries a week, have the voting be all week long.

                Or, I'll tell you what. If you really want a heavy winner advantage, use IRV to narrow to say the top three: win place, and show, and divide the delegates proportionately.
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                • #413
                  Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                  Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                  Democratic primaries are all proportional. Classic DNC stupidity.
                  no wonder they can't play the game for the EC
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                  • #414
                    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                    no wonder they can't play the game for the EC
                    They can't play the game for the EC because cows get as many EV as NYC and LA.
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                    • #415
                      Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      They can't play the game for the EC because cows get as many EV as NYC and LA.
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                      • #416
                        Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
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                        I believe the approved word is "hysterical."
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                        • #417
                          Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          I believe the approved word is "hysterical."
                          only familiar with schilling mangling the first offer
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                          • #418
                            Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                            Dem primary system is what the rank and file demand. Start doing a winner take all and watch the fur fly when someone wins California by 5 votes but is entitled to ALL of its delegates. I like the recent reforms starting with getting rid of caucuses for primaries which is the best way to boost participation. Yeah yeah the whole Iowa and NH go first thing is annoying but as long as those two remain swing states nobody is going to PO its voters over that.

                            Regarding Biden, he's had far, far more staying power thus far than I thought he would. But, you'd be a fool to dismiss his chances. He's got two big things going for him: 1) Nobody has staked a claim to non-white voters yet (looking at you Harris or O'Rourke) while he's wearing the Obama mantle with them at this point. That could end up being decisive. 2) Don't dismiss a "Return to Normalcy" sentiment amongst the electorate either.

                            My personal view on Uncle Joe is this. I don't worry about him in a debate after he ate media darling Weasel Paul Ryan alive in 2012. He's not nearly as progressive as my choice Lizzy Warren, but I don't picture him vetoing progressive legislation either. If a Dem congress puts tax hikes for the rich and expanded Medicare on his desk, he'll sign it. The hurdle to get any of these things passed into law would never be a Joe Biden Presidency. It'll be convincing the Dems sitting in marginal seats (Tester, Manchin, etc).
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                            • #419
                              Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                              Originally posted by busterman62 View Post
                              Since you've hung up and should be in power saving mode, you may want to disconnect your phone charger and plug it into your sarcasm detector. It appears to be in need of recharging
                              Ah gotcha. My bad
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                              • #420
                                Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                                Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                Dem primary system is what the rank and file demand. Start doing a winner take all and watch the fur fly when someone wins California by 5 votes but is entitled to ALL of its delegates. I like the recent reforms starting with getting rid of caucuses for primaries which is the best way to boost participation. Yeah yeah the whole Iowa and NH go first thing is annoying but as long as those two remain swing states nobody is going to PO its voters over that.

                                Regarding Biden, he's had far, far more staying power thus far than I thought he would. But, you'd be a fool to dismiss his chances. He's got two big things going for him: 1) Nobody has staked a claim to non-white voters yet (looking at you Harris or O'Rourke) while he's wearing the Obama mantle with them at this point. That could end up being decisive. 2) Don't dismiss a "Return to Normalcy" sentiment amongst the electorate either.

                                My personal view on Uncle Joe is this. I don't worry about him in a debate after he ate media darling Weasel Paul Ryan alive in 2012. He's not nearly as progressive as my choice Lizzy Warren, but I don't picture him vetoing progressive legislation either. If a Dem congress puts tax hikes for the rich and expanded Medicare on his desk, he'll sign it. The hurdle to get any of these things passed into law would never be a Joe Biden Presidency. It'll be convincing the Dems sitting in marginal seats (Tester, Manchin, etc).
                                The problem is I dont think Biden inspires people to vote for him. I dont see him getting a groundswell of support nor do I see him taking up positions that will inspire anyone. He is an old White Guy running on Obama's name.

                                If he wins he has my vote...but I would rather at least half the field win over him.
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