Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hokydad, I don't say this very often, but I more or less agree with you. Specifically, your very first sentence.

love you too but you cant have my bud light, no pun intended...

[SaltyLoafers]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Unlike many colleges and universities? Lowell, MC [both D2 schools with D1 hockey..doesn't get any bigger of a spotlight than that] then add in UNH, Maine, and Vermont. I'd argue that those three all would consider Hockey over their other sports but I cannot say for sure.

My 2 cents coming from one of the two schools in Hockey East to be primarily D2. Gets no bigger than D1 hockey at MC compared to the other sports on campus and I think our guys have handled the spotlight quite well as of late. In the Mid 2000s the team was a bunch of drinkers and partiers. I saw a distinct turn around on campus as guys like Barton, Bowen and Kimball who all came to the school in 2006 started taking leadership roles on the team.

I think with BU as of late, and MC from the mid 2000s it could be argued that traditions of losing, and traditions of winning can both be very toxic and very motivating at the same time. The tradition of losing at Merrimack acted like a ball and chain for the old players under the old system but that same tradition acted like a springboard and motivator for the new work-driven recruits. The same can be argued for winning. Resting on your laurels and a sense of entitlement can be dangerous, but a tradition of excelling can fuel the drive of new recruits to meet the bar that has been set by those who wore the sweater prior.

It depends on your coach, and the attitude of the student-athletes he brings in.

Well you're referencing HE schools and that is certainly the case for those schools, but when compared with college athletics as a whole? I was merely trying to say a sport that is the dominant entity at an institution, be it hockey, football, basketball, field hockey whatever, a culture will arise from that status that cannot always be pinned on the coach of that particular team. I'm not saying the coach is blameless for that culture, but the culture itself is a factor that can't be discarded. In this case, Parker and BU handled the situation about as well as could be expected given the information and the past issues.

[BU2K]

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Second, and again, this was before more information came out, what was done to maybe help this kid who had prior alcohol related incidents that may have helped this situation from every happening in the first place?

You obviously (and fortunately) have never had to deal with someone with a serious substance abuse problem. You can't force them to get help. Even if they get help voluntarily, they can always fall off the wagon years down the road.

Happened to a good friend of mine. He had "control" of his drinking problem for 6 years. Moved to Florida for work which also unfortunately displaced him from his support network of friends. Fell off the wagon hard. He had done a lot of damage in the years before he cleaned up. We hadn't been hearing from him regularly for a while and apparently neither had his parents. His father flew down to visit and he failed to meat him at the airport. Got to his apartment and found him dead at 42 years of age. They never talked about the cause, but we all knew what the biggest contributing factor was.

Another friend had a problem with alcohol which then led to cocaine/heroin (yes, one then the other and then the classic speedballs) and then prescription drugs while in college. She cleaned up her act, ended up graduating from Tufts Vet School and went on to get Board certified in Emergency Veterinary Surgery. Not many of those and in high demand. One day just started pilfering vet drugs that can get you high. Got caught, reprimanded and given one more chance. Within 3 months, she blew it and her credentials were pulled. Now she can work in a testing lab only with no access to meds. Lucky she can even do that.

We tried our best to help them both. The girl was a roomate of my now wife. She told her she needed to get help. She went to get help and then got high. My wife told her she needed to follow through with this or else she was calling her parents. My wife ended up having to do just that. She went into rehab, came out and seemed fine. But then 10 years later...

So you see, there was no way to have stopped this incident from ever happening in the first place. Corey is the only one who could have done that. Unless youa dvocate locking people up for what they might do some day.

[new2bu]

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Parker did everything he could as a coach (in my opinion). He suggested he had a problem and should get help etc. Why is no one talking about the parents responsibility as well here? I know these young men are not at home, and sometimes very far away, but I am guessing with Corey's prior suspensions that they had a pretty good idea too. Also, I am sure when he is home in the summer, if he has a problem it would also show up there.
The coach has certain responsibilities, which I believe Parker did well.
The rest is up to his parents but especially COREY HIMSELF!
This will be a tough one to recover from for a young man, but hope that if he truly has a problem, maybe this is just what he needs to realize he needs help.

[Salvo1017]

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So you see, there was no way to have stopped this incident from ever happening in the first place. Corey is the only one who could have done that. Unless youa dvocate locking people up for what they might do some day.

uhh kicking him out of school after the first time it happened would have prevented it just fine.

There are plenty of smart students lined up to get into BU in order for a chance to receive one of the best educations the nation has to offer. Instead the school bends over backwards to keep a drunkard on campus who puts other students at risk and is wasting his education.

[Federal League]

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uhh kicking him out of school after the first time it happened would have prevented it just fine.

There are plenty of smart students lined up to get into BU in order for a chance to receive one of the best educations the nation has to offer. Instead the school bends over backwards to keep a drunkard on campus who puts other students at risk and is wasting his education.

How would kicking him out of school solve anything? If someone has a drinking problem, it doesn't really matter where they are. According to Parker, people were keeping an eye on Trivino and trying to keep him in line. Would he have gotten that same support if he had been booted and was playing in the AHL or ECHL or wherever he would've ended up? Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing to another girl somewhere else? Would it somehow be less disturbing if it happened somewhere else? I just don't understand your logic here.

[srsterrier]

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Shocking that he did not make it mandatory or he couldnt play. Clearly not enough effort and if that was my daughter, I would be suing school and the team. He basically said he knew it would happen again and that is enabling, not correcting/disciplining/protecting. Could be a huge reach but you wouldnt allow a kid with a drug problem to say no to a treatment program and you sure as heck wouldnt allow him to drink /do drugs certain nights of the weak.

weird

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it. Same with that proposed lawsuit. Little chance of success. And while we are on the topic of you not getting it, I have not forgotton your post that started this chain:

Originally Posted by Hokdydad
Heard we have a little trouble in paradise? A player moving on ....

I sure hope that you did not know the details when you posted that last night. If you did, that is a pretty callous choice of words for a situation like this. Or is just that when something bad happens at BU, that is a good thing as far as you are concerned?

[Salvo1017]

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in my mind having little to no punitive consequences for your actions is exactly what leads to this kind of behavior in the first place. Who knows if it was the case for Trivino but seeing the way he acts I wouldn't doubt it. At some point someone has to pay for their actions, if he was forced to pay up earlier maybe he would have changed his ways. Cuz you know...Parker's cronies "keeping an eye on him" worked out real well didn't it?

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it. Same with that proposed lawsuit. Little chance of success. And while we are on the topic of you not getting it, I have not forgotton your post that started this chain:



I sure hope that you did not know the details when you posted that last night. If you did, that is a pretty callous choice of words for a situation like this. Or is just that when something bad happens at BU, that is a good thing as far as you are concerned?

Nope, not the case. Nothing but the best for BU/BC and all of the Hockey East programs.
I read his post and it is his opinion and fine. Zero influence on mine though.

[J.D.]

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Parker did everything he could as a coach (in my opinion). He suggested he had a problem and should get help etc.

As I originally said (echoed by hokydad), Parker very easily could have said (after the third incident), either you get help or you don't play for me again. That is not "doing everything".

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it.

What doesn't he get?

How would kicking him out of school solve anything? If someone has a drinking problem, it doesn't really matter where they are. According to Parker, people were keeping an eye on Trivino and trying to keep him in line. Would he have gotten that same support if he had been booted and was playing in the AHL or ECHL or wherever he would've ended up? Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing to another girl somewhere else? Would it somehow be less disturbing if it happened somewhere else? I just don't understand your logic here.

You don't think expelling someone from a school like BU could send a wake up call? I certainly do. It wouldn't necessarily solve anything, but it could have sent him the ultimate wake up.

[Salvo1017]

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You don't think expelling someone from a school like BU couldn't send a wake up call? I certainly do. It wouldn't necessarily solve anything, but it could have sent him the ultimate wake up.

This precisely

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As I originally said (echoed by hokydad), Parker very easily could have said (after the third incident), either you get help or you don't play for me again. That is not "doing everything".

Acording to the various articles and some of FL's tweets, this is pretty much what Parker did. He talked to Trivino several times about getting him help and also told him that if there was another issue then you don't play for me again.

Obviously at that point Trivino didn't accept that he had a problem. Maybe he will now.

[ericredaxe]

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This precisely

But you are saying that with the benefit of hindsight. If he had been kicked off the team earlier, you, JD and others would have been on here talking about how Parker can't relate to his players.

From everything I've read, over the long term, Parker handled the situation perfectly.

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

But you are saying that with the benefit of hindsight. If he had been kicked off the team earlier, you, JD and others would have been on here talking about how Parker can't relate to his players.

From everything I've read, over the long term, Parker handled the situation perfectly.

Perfectly is too strong for me, but hey, that's your opinion. And if Parker booted someone for three alcohol related incidents, I would not be saying "he can't relate to his players". I don't even think I've ever said those exact words.

Acording to the various articles and some of FL's tweets, this is pretty much what Parker did. He talked to Trivino several times about getting him help and also told him that if there was another issue then you don't play for me again.

Obviously at that point Trivino didn't accept that he had a problem. Maybe he will now.

Ha, no, you're definitely misunderstanding me. I'm saying after the third incident, Parker could have demanded Trivino get help or else he wouldn't play going forward. Parker only suggested it and Trivino said no.

[J.D.]

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BTW, Trivino had to surrender his passport, right? Where is he currently staying? At BU? Can't go home to Toronto...