"Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

[Ryecheers]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

Suppose a player drops out of school in order to turn pro, will he trigger a "golden parachute" ? O so rojo will describe the kind of ink that the universities will be swimming in!

Considering the restrictive definition of "amateur" as applied to hockey players, the idea of turning a full 180 degrees is ludicrous as well as hypocritical.

[MUhawks628]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

O so rojo will describe the kind of ink that the universities will be swimming in!

Winner!

[bigblue_dl]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

"largely funded?" Pleeezzze! Your Wall Street heroes, both winners and losers, get splendid tax breaks, haven't you heard? If the NCAA wishes to emulate professional sports with a pay-to-play program why stop at trickle-down? Let's go with signing bonuses, seasonal bonuses, and golden parachutes, all unrelated to actual performance. It's called privatizing. BTW: Don't fret about the "bear red" sobriquet. I got that from H.U.A.C.. Several offspring from that committee post on this site and must have been leafing through old hearing transcripts, reminiscing.

Can you be more specific? I hate it when posters talk in generalities instead of being specific.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

Can you be more specific? I hate it when posters talk in generalities instead of being specific.

Oh no you di''n't...

[davyd83]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

This will be very interesting. Can the smaller NCHC schools like Duluth and St Cloud afford the $2,000 per kid if voted in by North Dakota, Denver and a couple of the other bigger budget programs in that league? Where do Western, Miami and UNO fit in that scheme? How about CC? This will be very interesting. Do you once again end up with the same split among the bigger and smaller budgets that destroyed the WCHA?

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

This will be very interesting. Can the smaller NCHC schools like Duluth and St Cloud afford the $2,000 per kid if voted in by North Dakota, Denver and a couple of the other bigger budget programs in that league? Where do Western, Miami and UNO fit in that scheme? How about CC? This will be very interesting. Do you once again end up with the same split among the bigger and smaller budgets that destroyed the WCHA?

We're talking about a maximum of $40k per year for any given hockey program.

[MUhawks628]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

This will be very interesting. Can the smaller NCHC schools like Duluth and St Cloud afford the $2,000 per kid if voted in by North Dakota, Denver and a couple of the other bigger budget programs in that league? Where do Western, Miami and UNO fit in that scheme? How about CC? This will be very interesting. Do you once again end up with the same split among the bigger and smaller budgets that destroyed the WCHA?

Denver and UND might spend a disproportionate amount on hockey, but Miami and Western have the largest athletic budgets in the NCHC, although there might be a bit of red ink there

I think everyone can afford it.

[Osorojo]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

This will be very interesting. Can the smaller NCHC schools like Duluth and St Cloud afford the $2,000 per kid if voted in by North Dakota, Denver and a couple of the other bigger budget programs in that league? Where do Western, Miami and UNO fit in that scheme? How about CC? This will be very interesting. Do you once again end up with the same split among the bigger and smaller budgets that destroyed the WCHA?

We may end up with a unique situation where the richest 1% of college hockey programs end up with 99% of the talent, but that's the price of doing business the American way.

[komey1]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

When the profits of private financial and industrial corporations tanked two or three years ago their executives, directors, etc. received healthy bonuses, often millions of dollars. Don't you remember? It was only a couple of years ago, and the facts were widely reported. What's good for G.M. is good for the country, right? Why not give losing coaches and underperforming star athletes big bonuses?

The players would not be executors or directors. Those would be the coaches. The players would be a common worker. I don't think the average worker gets pay cuts, they get pink slips.

But enough about me getting the thread back on topic. I'm simply answering a question.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

The players would not be executors or directors. Those would be the coaches. The players would be a common worker. I don't think the average worker gets pay cuts, they get pink slips.

But enough about me getting the thread back on topic. I'm simply answering a question.

Never use "thread" (especially in the case of it being started by Bear Red) and "on topic" in the same sentence.

[Yuppie Scum]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

"largely funded?" Pleeezzze! Your Wall Street heroes, both winners and losers, get splendid tax breaks, haven't you heard? If the NCAA wishes to emulate professional sports with a pay-to-play program why stop at trickle-down? Let's go with signing bonuses, seasonal bonuses, and golden parachutes, all unrelated to actual performance. It's called privatizing. BTW: Don't fret about the "bear red" sobriquet. I got that from H.U.A.C.. Several offspring from that committee post on this site and must have been leafing through old hearing transcripts, reminiscing.

Occupy my *** hippie

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

We may end up with a unique situation where the richest 1% of college hockey programs end up with 99% of the talent, but that's the price of doing business the American way.

Occupy NCAA?

[Osorojo]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

As noted in a 11/06/2010 "pay to play" thread on this site, in 2009-10 the RIT men's ice hockey program paid $8,074 per player in expenses, while in 2009-10 Wisconsin paid $36,152 per hockey player. This information was provided by the schools themselves according to the "Equity in Athletics [!] Disclosure Act." This was BEFORE the NCAA approved pay-to-play. So what? Even professional sports are concerned that financial inequity between franchises will destroy their sport and the pros have reacted with salary caps. The gap in college hockey per player spending will swell with the new pay-to-play deregulation. If you were pleased with the 450% difference in program per-player expenses before PTP college hockey you should be thrilled with the new arrangement. Maybe college hockey games should be decided by comparing notarized financial statements - or at least use financial statements as tie breakers. Specific? Check. On subject? Check. Documented information? Check. Now what's your problem, bub?

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: "Pay-to-play" - a blessing in disguise?

As noted in a 11/06/2010 "pay to play" thread on this site, in 2009-10 the RIT men's ice hockey program paid $8,074 per player in expenses, while in 2009-10 Wisconsin paid $36,152 per hockey player. This information was provided by the schools themselves according to the "Equity in Athletics [!] Disclosure Act." This was BEFORE the NCAA approved pay-to-play. So what? Even professional sports are concerned that financial inequity between franchises will destroy their sport and the pros have reacted with salary caps. The gap in college hockey per player spending will swell with the new pay-to-play deregulation. If you were pleased with the 450% difference in program per-player expenses before PTP college hockey you should be thrilled with the new arrangement. Maybe college hockey games should be decided by comparing notarized financial statements - or at least use financial statements as tie breakers. Specific? Check. On subject? Check. Documented information? Check. Now what's your problem, bub?

RIT is a post-grandfathering D-III school. Your argument is flawed.

DuMass.

[Shirtless Guy]

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RIT is a post-grandfathering D-III school. Your argument is flawed.

DuMass.

I was going to say that but he did say per player expenses...I'm not sure that includes scholarship? I mean, Wisconsin flys everywhere so that number will be large.