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  • #91
    Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

    Originally posted by RMUColonials View Post
    I'm wondering if this is more a shot across the bow of the other AHA teams to vote in increased scholarship limits. They were only 1 vote away from passing last year and it would only take one school worried about losing a quarter of the conference to get it through this time.
    I wish I could concur on it being a shot across the bow but considering that the vote was to increase only from 12 to 13 scholies, I find it a stretch to think it is a strong-arm strategy to get to 18.
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    • #92
      Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

      Originally posted by RMUColonials View Post
      I'm wondering if this is more a shot across the bow of the other AHA teams to vote in increased scholarship limits. They were only 1 vote away from passing last year and it would only take one school worried about losing a quarter of the conference to get it through this time.
      I've got no doubt in my mind that the issue will come up the next time the AHA ADs meet. I think that would've happened independent of the CCHA putting out feelers, though.

      I've said before, but it will come down to whether the AHA wants to go full scholarship; apart from that, the difference between a reformed CCHA and the AHA is minimal.

      The plan of action is pretty much guaranteed to always go:
      1) The CCHA talks to the AHA Four about helping them out.
      2) The AHA Four go back to the AHA Core and says "So, check it, you willing to up the limit for us?"
      3a) The AHA Core says no, and the AHA Four says "Smell ya later."
      3b) The AHA Core says sure, and the AHA Four says "Well, now we've got a hard decision."
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      • #93
        Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

        Originally posted by kingdobbs View Post
        I've got no doubt in my mind that the issue will come up the next time the AHA ADs meet. I think that would've happened independent of the CCHA putting out feelers, though.

        I've said before, but it will come down to whether the AHA wants to go full scholarship; apart from that, the difference between a reformed CCHA and the AHA is minimal.

        The plan of action is pretty much guaranteed to always go:
        1) The CCHA talks to the AHA Four about helping them out.
        2) The AHA Four go back to the AHA Core and says "So, check it, you willing to up the limit for us?"
        3a) The AHA Core says no, and the AHA Four says "Smell ya later."
        3b) The AHA Core says sure, and the AHA Four says "Well, now we've got a hard decision."
        The AHA isn't going to 18 though regardless...so its a choice between staying and upping to 13 or 14 or leaving and getting 18 plus playing teams with some history...
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        • #94
          Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

          Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
          The AHA isn't going to 18 though regardless...so its a choice between staying and upping to 13 or 14 or leaving and getting 18 plus playing teams with some history...
          I'm not sure history really matters at this time.

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          • #95
            Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

            Originally posted by giwan View Post
            I'm not sure history really matters at this time.
            Well they certainly are higher profile than most of the 8 teams not looking to change leagues...
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            • #96
              Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

              Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
              Well they certainly are higher profile than most of the 8 teams not looking to change leagues...
              Well that may be true but as you know recent events show that history does not matter as much.

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              • #97
                Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                ...getting 18 plus playing teams with some history...
                History of mediocrity, for the most part.
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                • #98
                  Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                  Originally posted by kingdobbs View Post
                  I've got no doubt in my mind that the issue will come up the next time the AHA ADs meet. I think that would've happened independent of the CCHA putting out feelers, though.

                  I've said before, but it will come down to whether the AHA wants to go full scholarship; apart from that, the difference between a reformed CCHA and the AHA is minimal.

                  The plan of action is pretty much guaranteed to always go:
                  1) The CCHA talks to the AHA Four about helping them out.
                  2) The AHA Four go back to the AHA Core and says "So, check it, you willing to up the limit for us?"
                  3a) The AHA Core says no, and the AHA Four says "Smell ya later."
                  3b) The AHA Core says sure, and the AHA Four says "Well, now we've got a hard decision."
                  You skipped the step (anywhere in the sequence would be appropriate) where the AHA core says "Hey Canisius: Just leave, please. We're calling your bluff. Good luck getting funding for that arena you still don't have! Hah!"
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                  • #99
                    Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                    The AHA isn't going to 18 though regardless...so its a choice between staying and upping to 13 or 14 or leaving and getting 18 plus playing teams with some history...
                    I think it's: "12 scholarships, Five non-conference games, 1 auto-bid for 12 teams" versus "18 scholarships, six non-conference games (could be more if they lessen league games), and 1 auto-bid for seven or eight teams."
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                    • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                      Originally posted by RMUColonials View Post
                      I'm wondering if this is more a shot across the bow of the other AHA teams to vote in increased scholarship limits. They were only 1 vote away from passing last year and it would only take one school worried about losing a quarter of the conference to get it through this time.
                      Robert Morris wants 18 scholies. End of story. We all know Niagara does, too. Mercyhurst wants the Men's team to get somewhere close to a level that the 'Hurst Women are at. Canisius... well... ummm... I don't know.

                      My gut says this happens for the RMU, NU, and Mercyhurst for sure. Canisius is probably a 60/40 at this point. UAH getting an invite will all depend on what the four wild cards (WMU, ND, LSSU, and UA_) all end up doing. If two or more of those move, UAH probably gets in. They stay adrift if the 'new' CCHA is sitting with 8 teams after all this shakes out.
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                      • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                        Glad to read that Brophy actually made a statement about the hockey program. Hope it actually means something. Only took Jared Ross trying to organize a fund-raising drive to save the program to wring a few words out of the guy.

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                        • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                          Things do not sound good...sorry to hear that

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                          • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                            Agreed - The fact that AD Brophy said no decision has been made re D1 hockey continuing does not sound good at all. Then there is the problem of the CCHA probably asking for travel stipends from a program that is likely to be suffering budget cuts.

                            Very discouraging, to say the least. Will the 2011-2012 schedule be played regardless?

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                            • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                              Originally posted by chargersupporter View Post
                              Agreed - The fact that AD Brophy said no decision has been made re D1 hockey continuing does not sound good at all. Then there is the problem of the CCHA probably asking for travel stipends from a program that is likely to be suffering budget cuts.

                              Very discouraging, to say the least. Will the 2011-2012 schedule be played regardless?
                              I can't imagine the stipend would be that big of a deal with playoff $ and more home games happening.
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                              • Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

                                Originally posted by MikeAnderson View Post
                                Glad to read that Brophy actually made a statement about the hockey program. Hope it actually means something. Only took Jared Ross trying to organize a fund-raising drive to save the program to wring a few words out of the guy.

                                http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...ckey_prog.html
                                I'm glad someone in the media asked him questions about it, and that John Turner and The Huntsville Times did this.
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