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    2011 Men's Division III Sixteen Team Tournament Field Announced

    “Well sometimes it’s the same time all over the world….and right now I think you know what time that is…”


    A lull in the DIII action has finally freed up time for my annual 16 Team Division III Men’s NCAA Tournament…were one to occur, which it won’t anytime soon, but you know…we’ll pretend it was going to.

    Not being the NCAA, and thus not hampered by such things as aimless bylaws, lack of logic or lawsuits of hostile and abusive nature, freedom abounds as to how to set this up.

    Recall, as always, we have no concerns with travel as if we need a few bucks we’ll just quietly embezzle a few grand off the billions the NCAA received from CBS to televise the DI squeakball tournament. Or, if times are really tough, we’ll just use some of the $180k Auburn gave to Cam Newton’s dad. Either way, travel is not an issue here and will not hamper our quest for a fair national tournament.


    As far as selection goes, as always we seek to mimic the Division I selection process, with two notable deviations:

    1.We do not pre-select regional hosts, but rather the top four seeds will host regionals. We feel it is only fair to let the top four seeds host in reward of excellent seasons and also don’t see the point in hosting regionals in strange places like St. Louis.

    2. Since there is no complete DIII Pairwise to use to select the top 16 teams, we begrudgingly use the overly circular KRACH instead.*




    Doing so gives us our 16 team seeded field, which is as follows:

    1. Oswego
    2. St. Norbert
    3. Adrian
    4. Elmira
    5. Plattsburgh
    6. Utica
    7. Norwich
    8. Castleton
    9. Hobart
    10. Manhattanville
    11. Neumann
    12. Geneseo
    13. MSOE
    14. Hamline
    15. UW-Eau Claire
    16. Bowdoin


    And there we have it. Or wait, do we? Nope. Something still isn’t right as two automatic qualifiers, Curry of the ECACNE and Fitchburg State of the MASCAC, are not included. Wait, the MASCAC? Of course. No conference stays home here.

    So, who gets bumped? Well, it can’t be Bowdoin or Hamline as both won their respective conference automatic qualifiers so say goodbye to MSOE and UW-Eau Claire, the two lowest seeded non-AQ winners.


    A bit of proper seeding at the bottom and the 16 team field is set for good:

    1. Oswego State
    2. St. Norbert
    3. Adrian
    4. Elmira
    5. Plattsburgh State
    6. Utica
    7. Norwich
    8. Castleton
    9. Hobart
    10. Manhattanville
    11. Neumann
    12. Geneseo
    13. Hamline
    14. Bowdoin
    15. Curry
    16. Fitchburg State



    Which leads to our four regionals:

    Oswego Regional (Campus Center; Oswego, N.Y.)
    #1 Oswego v. #16 Fitchburg State
    #8 Castleton v. #9 Hobart

    St. Norbert Regional (Cornerstone Community Center; Ashwaubenon, Wis.)

    #2 St. Norbert v. # 15 Curry
    #7 Norwich v. # 10 Manhattanville

    Adrian Regional (Arrington Ice Arena; Adrian, Mich.)
    #3 Adrian v. #14 Bowdoin
    #6 Utica v. #11 Neumann

    Elmira Regional (Murray Athletic Center; Pine Valley, N.Y)
    #4 Elmira v. #13 Hamline
    #5 Plattsburgh State v #12 Geneseo


    And we’re all set. Almost.



    One thing we do like to avoid is conference matchups in the opening rounds and we currently have two with Utica/Neumann and Plattsburgh/Geneseo. These can be fixed easily enough by simply swapping Geneseo and Neumann, which leaves us with:



    Oswego Regional (Campus Center; Oswego, N.Y.)
    #1 Oswego v. #16 Fitchburg State
    #8 Castleton v. #9 Hobart

    St. Norbert Regional (Cornerstone Community Center; Ashwaubenon, Wis.)

    #2 St. Norbert v. # 15 Curry
    #7 Norwich v. # 10 Manhattanville

    Adrian Regional (Arrington Ice Arena; Adrian, Mich.)
    #3 Adrian v. #14 Bowdoin
    #6 Utica v. #12 Geneseo

    Elmira Regional (Murray Athletic Center; Pine Valley, N.Y)
    #4 Elmira v. #13 Hamline
    #5 Plattsburgh State v #11 Neumann


    There, all set. Plus the East gets its much desired 13-3 split, and slips the entire ECACW into the field even though they will all probably all lose in the first round again.




    Frozen Four (Dee Stadium; Houghton, Mich.)
    Oswego Regional v. Elmira Regional
    St. Norbert Regional v. Adrian Regional


    Considering in past seasons people have thought this was a real bracket, we here at The People’s Committee will clarify: Is this tournament actually going to happen? Of course not, but it sure would be fun.



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    I am sure that the entire ECAC-W conference will rise up to meet or exceed your expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UCBadger View Post
    I am sure that the entire ECAC-W conference will rise up to meet or exceed your expectations.
    Well, we have to always throw a few barbs out to see if anyone gets hooked on them...
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    I think you need the NE-10.

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    If you are going to throw all NCAA rules and policies on tournament selection and tournament management out the window why not remove the prohibition on serving beer at tournament games and have one of the regional centers at the Utica Aud? Better yet, how about the finals at the Aud or even perhaps both regional games and the finals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpuck View Post
    If you are going to throw all NCAA rules and policies on tournament selection and tournament management out the window why not remove the prohibition on serving beer at tournament games and have one of the regional centers at the Utica Aud? Better yet, how about the finals at the Aud or even perhaps both regional games and the finals?

    Beer is served at all regionals. Both in the concession stands and the car trunks of anybody who feels like planning ahead for some pregame tailgating action.

    As to Utica, The People's Committee would love to have a regional at the Aud, but we firmly believe the top four teams have earned the right to host.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    As to Utica, The People's Committee would love to have a regional at the Aud, but we firmly believe the top four teams have earned the right to host.
    Probably all for the best anyway, since the Aud most likely has monster trucks scheduled for that weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    Beer is served at all regionals. Both in the concession stands and the car trunks of anybody who feels like planning ahead for some pregame tailgating action.

    As to Utica, The People's Committee would love to have a regional at the Aud, but we firmly believe the top four teams have earned the right to host.
    We could take it one step further and make beer mandatory. First 2 are included with General Admission ticket purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I think you need the NE-10.
    Might as well. Makes for another fanbase to be mad about getting bumped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    2. Since there is no complete DIII Pairwise to use to select the top 16 teams, we begrudgingly use the overly circular KRACH instead.*

    You could have used my last rankings that were published here. One of the reasons I set them up they way I do is to remove the iterations required by the logistic regression process - I'm hurt
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    You could have used my last rankings that were published here. One of the reasons I set them up they way I do is to remove the iterations required by the logistic regression process - I'm hurt
    Notice the asterisk. It was carefully placed there for this very reason, which I can now identify:

    *Prof's rankings are likely a better representation of reality than either KRACH or PWR.

    See, that way the press doesn't get lost in the clutter of the original post...and everyone wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    Considering in past seasons people have thought this was a real bracket, we here at The People’s Committee will clarify: Is this tournament actually going to happen? Of course not, but it sure would be fun.
    Maybe.

    Go read Tim Costello's column this week on USCHO. Apparently, there is a serious movement afoot in the NCAA to do just this -- a 16-team D3 tournament, four top seeds hosting regionals, semifinals at the two highest remaining seeds, championship game with the D1 Frozen Four just like lacrosse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    Notice the asterisk. It was carefully placed there for this very reason, which I can now identify:

    *Prof's rankings are likely a better representation of reality than either KRACH or PWR.

    See, that way the press doesn't get lost in the clutter of the original post...and everyone wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Maybe.

    Go read Tim Costello's column this week on USCHO. Apparently, there is a serious movement afoot in the NCAA to do just this -- a 16-team D3 tournament, four top seeds hosting regionals, semifinals at the two highest remaining seeds, championship game with the D1 Frozen Four just like lacrosse.
    But as Joecct brought up I believe.

    Why would the NCAA make an exception to the 6.5 access ratio for just hockey?

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    Can we pay the players for that championship game? Next question. USD or Canadian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Dunning View Post
    But as Joecct brought up I believe.

    Why would the NCAA make an exception to the 6.5 access ratio for just hockey?
    Maybe they figure they could get more attendance (read: more $$) if they have the DIII championship concurrent with the DI? Get some DI fans to come to the game since they're already there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AC09 View Post
    Maybe they figure they could get more attendance (read: more $$) if they have the DIII championship concurrent with the DI? Get some DI fans to come to the game since they're already there?
    That's not the way decisions are generally made in DIII. That ratio of 1:6.5 is cast in stone for all sports, except that practical considerations in football and basketball limit the size of field even more. They don't want a FB tournament to have more than 5 rounds, so the field is limited to 32, even if 1:6.5 would allow for more teams. There is no sport where the field is larger than what the 1:6.5 ratio permits.

    If hockey were to get a more favorable ratio, coaches in other sports would cry foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    That's not the way decisions are generally made in DIII. That ratio of 1:6.5 is cast in stone for all sports, except that practical considerations in football and basketball limit the size of field even more. They don't want a FB tournament to have more than 5 rounds, so the field is limited to 32, even if 1:6.5 would allow for more teams. There is no sport where the field is larger than what the 1:6.5 ratio permits.

    If hockey were to get a more favorable ratio, coaches in other sports would cry foul.
    I understand and agree with your reasoning. I was just trying to rationalize why the cash-hungry NCAA would even consider such a proposal (if they really are considering it). IMO, this set-up would not necessarily be ideal for DIII. Breaking up the semifinals and finals that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Maybe.

    Go read Tim Costello's column this week on USCHO. Apparently, there is a serious movement afoot in the NCAA to do just this -- a 16-team D3 tournament, four top seeds hosting regionals, semifinals at the two highest remaining seeds, championship game with the D1 Frozen Four just like lacrosse.
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    It is only going to get worse, as next year the MASCAC conference is eligible for an AQ, and that will leave just two pool bids remaining for filling the remaining participants in the national tournament.
    Not sure what tournament Tim is going to be watching next year, but it's not the D3 men's ice hockey tournament, which will have three at large bids for teams in conferences without automatic qualifiers.

    The MASCAC's formation means Pool B disappears, replaced with a Pool A bid for the MASCAC, leaving our standard three Pool C (see also: at large) teams in place.

    Now, in case you want to say "Well, obviously the ECAC West will get at least one of those bids, leaving just two out there legitimately" I would say.... why? Last year, there would have been no ECAC West representation in the field, and if St. Norbert had lost their conference tournament with Fredonia beating Plattsburgh for the SUNYAC title this year, it might also have happened.

    So after reading that line, I quickly scrolled down the rest of the article to see if there were quotation marks representing someone even semi-official going on the record with what seems like a simply ridiculous possibility (the NCAA doing something right? Ha), found none, and stopped reading.

    The column is no more reality than Webb's projected tournament field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Carey View Post
    The column is no more reality than Webb's projected tournament field.
    Last I checked I'm the only person on record anywhere who had Superior in the field. Would you like a link?
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