College Hockey amps up war on Canadian major junior....

[Runninwiththedogs]

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They would honor only their own players scholies if they were hurt but not those of recruits who have only verbally committed. Remember that players cannot officially sign until they are in their last semester as a junior in highschool. I doubt even then that a school would honor a scholy of a signed recruit.

Denver has honored David Carle's scholarship.

[Beer Pong Horn]

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Denver has honored David Carle's scholarship.

Yes, but that was a highly publicized case of one of the top recruits in the country, and Denver is making good use of his skills behind the bench for that scholarship. I would guess his situation is extremely rare.

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Yes, but that was a highly publicized case of one of the top recruits in the country, and Denver is making good use of his skills behind the bench for that scholarship. I would guess his situation is extremely rare.

But it happened. SO THERE.

[dggoddard]

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Yes, but that was a highly publicized case of one of the top recruits in the country, and Denver is making good use of his skills behind the bench for that scholarship. I would guess his situation is extremely rare.

Plenty of cases over the years of players in other sports having career ending injuries before entering school and securing academic or other types of scholarships to get the players degrees.

[Beer Pong Horn]

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Plenty of cases over the years of players in other sports having career ending injuries before entering school and securing academic or other types of scholarships to get the players degrees.

Does it happen frequently in hockey? I honestly don't know whether this is common, or if it's covered in NCAA bylaws somewhere. David Carle's case is the only one I've heard of recently, though it's possible that other players have had similar issues and the schools don't publicize their continued scholarships.

[4four4]

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As a fan of a small D-1 school, I can assure you that it is all for the inclusion of CHL players. It stands to reason that most would be since it would vastly increase the talent pool and all would benefit from it.

Why would Ivy league schools be against it? If a player has the grades, they could care less what system they come from.

What in your mind would be the downside of allowing CHL players in???

One of the MAJOR reasons why the NCAA does not allow CHL players is? Any guesses? Who is the University of Minnesota.

[5mn_Major]

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Only 6 of the 29 players at the USA Under 20 Camp are from Minnesota this week.

MN 6
MI 6
MA 3
NY 3
NJ 2
ILL 1
NV 1
OK 1
CA 1
MO 1
TX 1
WA 1
GA 1
OR 1

Compared to the 1980 USA Olympic Team

MN 12
MI 3
MA 4
WI 1

Nothings worse than someone who piles on...of course except for someone who piles on late.

Much of this trend doesn't have to do so much with a decline in interest in youth hockey in MN. But rather the massive increase in ice hockey interest nationwide over the last 20 years. Prior to the 70s, there was even more disparity in Canadian hockey vs. the low level of interest in the US as a whole.

Any recent perceived trend is too variable IMO to say its down in MN specifically. What was it just 4 or so years ago that Minnesotans made up more than half of all players in the Froz Four? An incredible number by any measure...and one which would be extremely unlikely to match in any other sport by any other state.

[jnacc]

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One of the MAJOR reasons why the NCAA does not allow CHL players is? Any guesses? Who is the University of Minnesota.

This aint 1979 anymore. Minnesota doesn't have even a 1/3rd of the influence it once did. Time to move on.

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Denver has honored David Carle's scholarship.

USC Football has honored Frankie Telfort's, and every single Trojan that has had their career ended by injury or medical condition.

[dggoddard]

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Does it happen frequently in hockey? I honestly don't know whether this is common, or if it's covered in NCAA bylaws somewhere. David Carle's case is the only one I've heard of recently, though it's possible that other players have had similar issues and the schools don't publicize their continued scholarships.

Travis Roy was the most famous example. Injured just 11 seconds into his college career at Boston University.

http://www.travisroyfoundation.org/p...ravis-bio.html

[jnacc]

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Travis Roy was the most famous example. Injured just 11 seconds into his college career at Boston University.

http://www.travisroyfoundation.org/p...ravis-bio.html

Can anyone here provide a single player whose scholarship was honored after giving a verbal commitment to a school

Can anyone provide any names of players whose scholarship were honored after they signed a letter of intent but had yet to be formally admitted into school, other than Carle.

Travis Roy and Telfort were already in school and playing.

[brianvf]

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Can anyone provide any names of players whose scholarship were honored after they signed a letter of intent but had yet to be formally admitted into school, other than Carle.

I guess Carle's case doesn't count or something.

[HarleyMC]

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Can anyone here provide a single player whose scholarship was honored after giving a verbal commitment to a school

Can anyone provide any names of players whose scholarship were honored after they signed a letter of intent but had yet to be formally admitted into school, other than Carle.

Travis Roy and Telfort were already in school and playing.

Your attempt to question the NCAA verbal indicates you don't fully understand its intent and commitment. Although it is not a legally binding agreement, it is a promise. Moreover, it is typically more common for a player to recant on a verbal than the school. Nothing short of legal problems, a major violation of high school rules or academic failures would rescind a player’s verbal commitment to a scholarship. Even if the athlete was injured, in most cases the school would honor the commitment.

The intent and offer of the verbal commitment is more ineffable to the school’s coaching staff than the player for two reasons:

1) The public disclosure of a school withdrawing a verbal from a committed player is very difficult to overturn especially with the athlete’s high school. It may take a college coach a long time to overcome that perceived breech of trust.

2) Other college coaches will leverage it against a college or university that rescinds on a verbal commitment, stating that players can’t trust the school's level of commitment. That is extremely significant in the recruiting process. Mass media exposure to such a situation will inevitably attribute further disdain towards the rescinding school's recruiting reputation.

The National Letter of Intent or NLI is used to provide a certain amount of certainty to the NCAA college recruiting process. A player is guaranteed a scholarship for one year by the recruiting college. The player also agrees to attend that college for one year. All other colleges that are part of the NLI program have to stop trying to recruit the player. Once the letter of intent is signed it is legally binding on the college or university, not a coach or team. It is legally binding for only one college academic year. The NLI in itself does not guarantee an athlete a place on the team or playing time. Colleges that are actively recruiting a student-athlete will send them a National Letter of Intent which will include an official scholarship offer.

[jnacc]

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Your attempt to question the NCAA verbal indicates you don't fully understand its intent and commitment. Although it is not a legally binding agreement, it is a promise. Moreover, it is typically more common for a player to recant on a verbal than the school. Nothing short of legal problems, a major violation of high school rules or academic failures would rescind a player’s verbal commitment to a scholarship. Even if the athlete was injured, in most cases the school would honor the commitment.
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Yes I understand what verbal is. I also know that schools do break them (rarely but it does happen) or they will ask the player to hold off for another year before signing (see Wisconsin). I have never known a school honoring a verbal if they player suffers a career ending injury,however.

My whole point was that Major A teams often use this as leverage over the NCAA in attracting players......"hey you didn't sign anything so are you sure the school will cover your costs if you are injured. We know that we would!"

[HarleyMC]

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Yes I understand what verbal is. I also know that schools do break them (rarely but it does happen) or they will ask the player to hold off for another year before signing (see Wisconsin). I have never known a school honoring a verbal if they player suffers a career ending injury,however.

For the reasons I have already alluded to, it is extremely rare for an NCAA school to rescind on a verbal. Although I don't know of any specific examples off hand, I'm willing to speculate that a school might consider offering at least a partial scholarship or some level of compensation as a gesture of goodwill to an athlete that incurs a "career ending" injury. It's commendable and good public relations. All other injuries would not warrant withdrawal of a verbal for reasons previously mentioned.

My whole point was that Major A teams often use this as leverage over the NCAA in attracting players......"hey you didn't sign anything so are you sure the school will cover your costs if you are injured. We know that we would!"

MJs use of misinformation, covert recruiting tactics and poor educational enrollment outcomes is exactly why CH Inc. and others are seeking to expose and clarify some of these dubious recruiting strategies and methods.