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  • #61
    Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    And how is that happening here? It literally isnt.

    The people they are trying to bring the pain to live nowhere near any of those places. All they are doing is making life more painful for the people who live there with them.

    This isnt Rage Against the Machine...this isnt Public Enemy...this a poser cover band. If you want to fight the power go for it...but do it where the power resides.

    Part of the problem is though that Minneapolis acted correctly (and much faster than expected) so now instead of lashing out TPTB they have no singular force to go after.
    Perhaps you should go down to Lake and class-splain to the protesters their poor object choice.

    I'm all for it if they use rocket launchers on the banking district, but that's not how this works. If your thesis is riots are imprecise, well, yeah. People aren't going to stop having them under circumstances in which no legal remedy is possible. Robert K. Merton was on to that by 1955.

    We're watching the physics of jamming people into a ghetto and then crushing them. Eventually they do something. It's not to be celebrated or vilified, it just is the inevitable output unless we change the inputs.

    A drowning man lashes out. That's what "I can't breath!" means. It's not going to wind up a graduate seminar in a quiet room, it's going to be awful.
    Last edited by Kepler; 05-28-2020, 03:40 PM.
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    • #62
      Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

      Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
      In that sense I can understand, I was speaking more about folks like you or dx.
      Oh I dont have any illusions that they trust me or want my help. (I worked in bad parts of town for too long not to know the score) I also dont pretend to "get what they are going through" because for as bad as I had it sometimes it is not even in the same universe of what they deal with. Hell even the hatred I get for being a Jew doesnt give me any insight into what they have to deal with.

      I want them to win...I want change of the greatest magnitude. There is zero excuse for the amount of suffering that goes on because the system sucks. I do my best to help how I can.
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      • #63
        Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
        Oh I dont have any illusions that they trust me or want my help. (I worked in bad parts of town for too long not to know the score) I also dont pretend to "get what they are going through" because for as bad as I had it sometimes it is not even in the same universe of what they deal with.
        ..
        I want them to win...I want change of the greatest magnitude. There is zero excuse for the amount of suffering that goes on because the system sucks. I do my best to help how I can.
        This is exactly how I come down on it.
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        • #64
          Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Perhaps you should go down to Lake and class-splain to the protesters their poor object choice.

          I'm all for it if they use rocket launchers on the banking district, but that's not how this works. If your thesis is riots are imprecise, well, yeah. People aren't going to stop having them under circumstances in which no legal remedy is possible. Robert K. Merton was on to that by 1955.

          We're watching the physics of jamming people into a ghetto and then crushing them. Eventually they do something. It's not to be celebrated or demonized, it just is the inevitable output unless we change the inputs.
          I dont have to explain...BLM has been doing it almost since this started.

          I used to live 6 blocks from there (roughly) and my buddy taught at a school that had a campus in that strip mall. This isnt South Central LA its run down but it is hardly a ghetto. There are much worse areas. (hence the gentrifying)
          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
          -aparch

          "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
          -INCH

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          • #65
            Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
            Oh I dont have any illusions that they trust me or want my help. (I worked in bad parts of town for too long not to know the score) I also dont pretend to "get what they are going through" because for as bad as I had it sometimes it is not even in the same universe of what they deal with. Hell even the hatred I get for being a Jew doesnt give me any insight into what they have to deal with.

            I want them to win...I want change of the greatest magnitude. There is zero excuse for the amount of suffering that goes on because the system sucks. I do my best to help how I can.
            And that's the right response, and it's what we can do. That and when politicians ask us to increase our taxes to pay for day care and mass transit and single payer, say yes.
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            • #66
              Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              And that's the right response, and it's what we can do. That and when politicians ask us to increase our taxes to pay for day care and mass transit and single payer, say yes.
              Uhh.... Hello?

              We have been. Somehow we're failing the black community. That's not ok either.
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              Originally posted by Kepler
              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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              • #67
                Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                I dont have to explain...BLM has been doing it almost since this started.

                I used to live 6 blocks from there (roughly) and my buddy taught at a school that had a campus in that strip mall. This isnt South Central LA its run down but it is hardly a ghetto. There are much worse areas. (hence the gentrifying)
                If the cops can murder you it doesn't matter if you have a nice lawn, you're still in a ghetto.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  Oh I dont have any illusions that they trust me or want my help. (I worked in bad parts of town for too long not to know the score) I also dont pretend to "get what they are going through" because for as bad as I had it sometimes it is not even in the same universe of what they deal with. Hell even the hatred I get for being a Jew doesnt give me any insight into what they have to deal with.

                  I want them to win...I want change of the greatest magnitude. There is zero excuse for the amount of suffering that goes on because the system sucks. I do my best to help how I can.
                  I think the question that’s being raised is that are we, as in white folks like you and me, really doing the best we can to help or are we just paying lip service?
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                  • #69
                    Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    Uhh.... Hello?
                    Yes. I'm saying we're not on opposite sides. Riots are terrible but without stuff like this nothing changes. That doesn't make them "right," but it makes them part of what happens, like hacking off a gangrenous leg.
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                    • #70
                      Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Yes. I'm saying we're not on opposite sides. Riots are terrible but without stuff like this nothing changes. That doesn't make them "right," but it makes them part of what happens, like hacking off a gangrenous leg.
                      But just because they are inevitable doesnt mean we have to condone it. We understand sooner or later things were going to blow up but that doesnt excuse lawless behavior.
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                      • #71
                        Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                        "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                        -aparch

                        "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                        -INCH

                        Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                          I think the question that’s being raised is that are we, as in white folks like you and me, really doing the best we can to help or are we just paying lip service?
                          It's probably both. My wife and I are stressed with COVID, money, jobs, everything that a lot of people are. We have different stressors in life and we take time to do what we can. Certainly my wife and I do. Sometiems that means giving to causes, sometimes that means marching, other times it's supporting people in our community when they're wronged. Otherwise, it's not really up to us to determine what's best. We can listen to our friends and community leaders and act on that. We can speak out when we see injustice. We can elect the most progressive candidates possible. Otherwise, there aren't many people who have the time to go out every weekend and devote their time to a single community or cause. It's enough to take up all of your time just get by.

                          So all of this high and mighty crap coming from you, Kepler, and jerp about how we're the cause can get stuffed. Some of us are doing what we can.
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                          Originally posted by Kepler
                          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                          • #73
                            Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?



                            Well that is one way to make sure no one messes with your store
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                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                            -INCH

                            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                            • #74
                              Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                              ...a few big problems that can be fixed (imo) speaking to the issue of policing...

                              In my life i’ve Known 5 cops personally.

                              The 2 I know from high school were extreme bullies with terrible attitudes.

                              1 I played hockey with couldn’t control his temper and got into fights every game due to his lack of self control.

                              The other 2 are well adjusted and well respected.

                              I bring this up because I think policing has more than its share of those first 3 guys and fewer of the well adjusted types. Beyond that, one of the good cops was at a department in a Waukesha suburb and get this...he was reprimanded for not giving out tickets and pulling over more minorities. Fact. Singled out for not being racist.

                              There’s a corner where the city meets suburb x and the police used to call the patrol at that corner “the gatekeeper”.

                              Anyway, add to this the militarization Of PD’s across America either with armaments or with ex-military etc and that worsens things.

                              Double their pay, double the rigor with which they’re scrutinized before becoming cops, rotate them to desk duty regularly to decompress and quintuple their psychological evaluations and provide assistance for ptsd.
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                              • #75
                                Re: Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

                                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                                But just because they are inevitable doesnt mean we have to condone it. We understand sooner or later things were going to blow up but that doesnt excuse lawless behavior.
                                It's neither to be condoned or not, it's an explosion outside the rules of ordinary society. It's analogous to war -- it's class war. Nonsense like "Just War Theory" aside, it's a breakdown of the rules. When the state does that we have all sorts of rationalizations. When the people do it not so much, because the state reserves the right to break the rules with violence and then educates us that that is justified.

                                But when things get bad enough, people abrogate that contract. You can decry it all you like; this is not inside the usual script.
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