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  • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

    Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    the kind of people presidents should be inviting to State Of The Union speeches.
    That's reserved for people caught coming back from the Dominican Republic with suitcase full of Viagra prescribed to someone else.

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    • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

      Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
      Social safety net programs like SNAP and unemployment insurance create more wealth than they cost for the exact reason you point out. People receiving these benefits spend them as soon as they get them, and they spend them in the communities where they live. Corporate giveaways, meh, not so much. The states where the unemployment benefit is more generous get it right. Yes, you don't want to routinely give a laid off worker 110% of their previous income, and you do want them to go back to work as soon as they can replace 90% or so of their income, but those benefits are cost-effective. And you know what? Even if they were less cost effective, I'd still say continue or them or even make them more generous. Our society owes it to people who work for a living to take care of each other when we face extreme hardship through no fault of our own. If we had an income tax system that was truly fair we could do all of that, and there would still be people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who are worth more than God.
      Again, the problem with this is that those nurse's aides, grocery workers and truck drivers who actually are keeping us alive are getting shafted by their colleagues who are claiming benefits (background checks have been waived, so nobody is checking this year to see if you could work or not). Why not send the benefit to everyone rather than helping only the shirkers? The people going out to work essential jobs are spending more $ anyway by getting up off the couch and driving, eating fast food, and whatnot, but they're being penalized for it. Literally dozens of my daughter's grocer colleagues have quit over the last few months and brag to her that they're earning a lot more now that they are doing the critical work of sitting on the couch watching soaps and eating bon bons. And she's double-shifting to cover for them.
      A new analysis by Peter Ganong, Pascal Noel and Joseph Vavra, economists at the University of Chicago,1 uses government data from 2019 to estimate that 68 percent of unemployed workers who can receive benefits are eligible for payments that are greater than their lost earnings. They also found that the estimated median replacement rate — the share of a worker’s original weekly salary that is being replaced by unemployment benefits — is 134 percent, or more than one-third above their original wage.
      edit: sorry u/WeAreNDHockey, it looks like you were being perfectly reasonable but for some reason I quoted your thoughts as a question to be answered by my rant. Not sure why.
      Last edited by geezer; 05-19-2020, 12:24 PM.
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      • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

        Originally posted by alfablue View Post
        The point is that for a very small amount of people, and for a very brief time, they are getting more money staying home than working. So if a company wants them back before time is ready- they need to pay them more than what they are getting staying home.
        I'm very fortunate not to know how any of this works, but I thought it worked like this:

        1. I'm working for $X
        2. Covid hits, I get laid off, CARES/PPP act means I end up getting, say $1.1X while I'm on unemployment
        3. Company re-opens and says, "ok, time to come back and work for $X"

        At that point, aren't my options:

        A. Go back to work for $X
        B. Refuse to go back to work and sit at home for $0

        There's no option for continuing to sit at home and keep collecting the $1.1X. Is there?

        Companies shouldn't have to compete with the 1.1X - they're competing with $0, so there should be no reason they'd have to offer more than the original $X. If their employees can't do that math, then they can probably hire other people who *can* do math for $X.
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        • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

          Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
          I'm very fortunate not to know how any of this works, but I thought it worked like this:

          1. I'm working for $X
          2. Covid hits, I get laid off, CARES/PPP act means I end up getting, say $1.1X while I'm on unemployment
          3. Company re-opens and says, "ok, time to come back and work for $X"

          At that point, aren't my options:

          A. Go back to work for $X
          B. Refuse to go back to work and sit at home for $0

          There's no option for continuing to sit at home and keep collecting the $1.1X. Is there?

          Companies shouldn't have to compete with the 1.1X - they're competing with $0, so there should be no reason they'd have to offer more than the original $X. If their employees can't do that math, then they can probably hire other people who *can* do math for $X.
          Legally and morally speaking, you are correct. In 2020, no. There are no certifications or audits on claims.
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          • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

            Originally posted by geezer View Post
            .

            edit: sorry u/WeAreNDHockey, it looks like you were being perfectly reasonable but for some reason I quoted your thoughts as a question to be answered by my rant. Not sure why.
            If I was being perfectly reasonable about something, that's probably what led to confusion! I'm rarely reasonable and never perfect!

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            • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

              Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
              Companies shouldn't have to compete with the 1.1X - they're competing with $0, so there should be no reason they'd have to offer more than the original $X. If their employees can't do that math, then they can probably hire other people who *can* do math for $X.
              To me, it depends. If they are asking their employees to have a higher risk of getting sick anEsd potentially dying, I think they should be competing with the 1.1x. Especially when the bonus should be running out when the risk has gone down enough to not be a problem.

              Especially for companies who didn't even attempt to keep paying their employees when they shut down.

              The number of companies who are willing to sacrifice their employees heath so that they can make money is getting larger every day- at least the ones we find out about.

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              • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                Originally posted by geezer View Post
                Legally and morally speaking, you are correct. In 2020, no. There are no certifications or audits on claims.
                Huh.

                How @#$%@$# hard would it be for companies to report, "Yes, I laid off SSNs X, Y, and Z" and then 6 weeks later, "I recalled X and Y" and for X's and Y's benefits to disappear?

                Google or Facebook could have that **** programmed this afternoon.

                (note: it is *very* possible that my company provides software solutions to the agencies involved!)
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                • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

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                  • Originally posted by geezer View Post
                    Again, the problem with this is that those nurse's aides, grocery workers and truck drivers who actually are keeping us alive are getting shafted by their colleagues who are claiming benefits (background checks have been waived, so nobody is checking this year to see if you could work or not). Why not send the benefit to everyone rather than helping only the shirkers? The people going out to work essential jobs are spending more $ anyway by getting up off the couch and driving, eating fast food, and whatnot, but they're being penalized for it. Literally dozens of my daughter's grocer colleagues have quit over the last few months and brag to her that they're earning a lot more now that they are doing the critical work of sitting on the couch watching soaps and eating bon bons. And she's double-shifting to cover for them.

                    edit: sorry u/WeAreNDHockey, it looks like you were being perfectly reasonable but for some reason I quoted your thoughts as a question to be answered by my rant. Not sure why.
                    They're not getting shafted by those sitting at home. They're getting shafted by their employers, who pay them **** wages.

                    You wanna get angry about it, target the right people.
                    What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                    • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                      Huh.

                      How @#$%@$# hard would it be for companies to report, "Yes, I laid off SSNs X, Y, and Z" and then 6 weeks later, "I recalled X and Y" and for X's and Y's benefits to disappear?

                      Google or Facebook could have that **** programmed this afternoon.

                      (note: it is *very* possible that my company provides software solutions to the agencies involved!)
                      I said the other day...I know someone who literally walked out of their job and is getting unemployment. Right now everything is so backlogged they dont have the time to even check applications they just waive everyone through.
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                      • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                        I saw a headline this morning, "Wisconsin is a failed state." But seriously, why pick on Wisconsin? The United States is a failed state.
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                        • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                          Originally posted by geezer View Post
                          I saw a headline this morning, "Wisconsin is a failed state." But seriously, why pick on Wisconsin? The United States is a failed state.
                          Not all of them. Here's a handy guide:

                          Last edited by Kepler; 05-19-2020, 04:25 PM.
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                          • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            I said the other day...I know someone who literally walked out of their job and is getting unemployment. Right now everything is so backlogged they dont have the time to even check applications they just waive everyone through.
                            I can assure you this is not true everywhere. I have had members who attempted this and got squat, and another member who was fired (technically not eligible, even with coronavirus stimulus) and they were denied. Some states have not had the same overwhelming demand, and some states do it better and more efficiently.

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                            • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                              After a couple relatively good days regarding death numbers, looks like they're creeping back up again.

                              Or are the weekend numbers skewed a bit? Just cause, weekend, and all that?
                              What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                              • Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At

                                Originally posted by rufus View Post
                                After a couple relatively good days regarding death numbers, looks like they're creeping back up again.

                                Or are the weekend numbers skewed a bit? Just cause, weekend, and all that?
                                The local maxes on worldmeter have actually been midweek:

                                April 24
                                May 1
                                May 8
                                May 15

                                It's been a very consistent pattern. Of course there are two lags:

                                Infection --> Case --> Death

                                so the death numbers trace to infections 2-3 weeks ago. But it's interesting the pattern is regular.

                                States that did badly today, relative to recent history: OH, IN

                                States that did well: CA, CT
                                Last edited by Kepler; 05-19-2020, 05:14 PM.
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