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Originally posted by state of hockey View PostAnd somehow, lost on all of them, is the fact that this was all preventable with a competent federal government. They didn't even need to make a plan, they just had to not trash the one that was already there. I'm speechless when these morons start yapping, so I've just avoided them. Probably not the right thing to do, but a must for my sanity at this point.Cornell University
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostI like Walz. I think he's generally done a good job, both with this pandemic and otherwise. With respect to the pandemic I think he has tried to gather information and make good decisions. I also think he has a realistic view of what he can and cannot accomplish with stay at home restrictions.
That said, the indoor vs. outdoor bar and restaurant decision was a silly one. Either keep them closed all the way, except for take out, or open up both indoor and outdoor service with the protocols he just implemented for the outdoor dining.
He is very enamored with his "this is not a switch, it's a dial" view, so no doubt he believes that allowing just outdoor dining and bar service gives him an argument he's adjusting the dial. But it's silly, and will create more backlash for him that he doesn't need.
Outdoor only doesn't help the employees. They are already going to have to come in and cook food, bartend, and serve patrons. They'll be interacting with co-workers and customers either way.
Is there any evidence that customers seated six feet or ten feet away from one another outdoors is any safer for the customers and staff than sitting the same distance away indoors? In fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is evidence that water droplets containing the virus can actually travel 15 to 20 feet away on an outdoor breeze, so it might even be more dangerous outside.
Also, it further exacerbates the unfairness perception. Bars and restaurants, who through no reason other than geographic location, may have an abundance of patio space while the bar or restaurant next door has zero. Why is that fair?
Are you going to make people sit there and finish their drinks and meal in the rain? This is Minnesota, not San Diego. I think it will also create some interesting questions around the Cities as to what is or is not "indoor" space. I was thinking of McGoverns in St. Paul. They have a "patio" that is basically an indoor space where there is a roof that can be rolled back. Is that outdoors? I've eaten in that space in the dead of winter. How about places with big garage doors that open up, like Surlys?
I think Walz unnecessarily stepped in it here. If he doesn't think it's safe for bars and restaurants to open, fine, keep them closed awhile longer. What's next, the Gophers can play their games (outdoor stadium) but the Vikings can't?
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Part of the reason for a partial open is for safety (indoor versus outdoor) but part of it also is to make things easier on the restaurants. It is not easy to go from 0-60 even if you have time to plan. Add in the fact that half the state is itching for anything to do and it could create chaos. Hell I have seen firsthand how bad people are behaving when it takes an extra five minutes to get their burrito at Chipotle or Pizza at my friends store (or if they dare have to wait in a line 6 feet from someone else!!!) it will be ten times worse at a sitdown restaurant. If there is a long wait people will go nuts if they have to sit in their car because they have to social distance. If the meal takes longer than expected they are going to get angry and since we all know the food supply is being ravaged by this menu items will be hit or miss for quite a while.
And god forbid they open up and someone gets sick. No amount of comped meals is going to cover the hellfire that will reign down on that place. All it takes is one asymptomatic person to cough in the general direction of an old couple and...well we are seeing how that plays out.
My cousin works at a bar/restaurant in Wayzata. They have curbside and right now they dont even want to really open up fully or at 25%. (though they probably will) Their labor costs are awesome because they only have minimal staff and they are selling like 2k in a half day of being open. The workers are safe, the customers are safe and everyone is getting what they need. If/when they open up they will have to go to a much larger staff, take twice as many precautions to keep the staff/customers safe and it is almost a 100% guarantee the customers will not follow the guidelines of social distancing. (Wayzata People are quite entitled)
Walz is doing the right thing...it might seem unfair but again, life isnt fair. In reality he should be staying closed completely until the fall but that would bankrupt half of Northern Minnesota and probably a large percentage of the southern part. He needs to do this in steps. If the small open proves successful you take the next step. (50% capacity indoor and outdoor) There is more at stake here than just the small businesses.
As my GF's mom said the other day (who again was a banker and taught business for 2 decades) if with all of the resources available right now your business is failing, then it probably wasnt that successful to begin with. this is just economic Darwinism in its truest form. The businesses that survive are the ones that find a way to adapt. The ones that cant...well sorry but survival of the fittest. Capitalism baby!"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostBeg pardon?
It doesnt seem like it, but having been there myself it is actually quite easy to distance there and they are pretty good about keeping things clean. Plus it deals in other stuff as well like meat and cheese it is just known for candy. I dont see the need to open it. That said it is a very cool place
Wagner said they've taken precautions to ensure customers are safe, including even moving some of the more "high-profile" items in separate areas to keep customers from gathering in one spot.
They've also added other changes, including hiring more employees to keep the space clean.
"That's involved so much plexiglass, partitions, arrows on the floor," said Wagner. "We're going to be following behind customers with different wipe downs, and we're going to have hand sanitizer throughout the store."
The store is almost double the size of a football field, so among the changes, capacity will be lowered from the original 645 customers pre-pandemic to 250 customers at a time. That should give each customer at least 12 feet of space around them."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostMN state fair board meets tomorrow. Could be a busy weekend of protesting!"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostWalz is praying they decide on their own to close...but no way they do. I dont think he will do it on his own.“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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Originally posted by aparch View PostOhio just announced their State Fair isn't taking place this year, so there now is precedence.
Iowa wont cancel theirs which will be problematic."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostUh...life isnt fair?
A less jerky response:
Part of the reason for a partial open is for safety (indoor versus outdoor) but part of it also is to make things easier on the restaurants. It is not easy to go from 0-60 even if you have time to plan. Add in the fact that half the state is itching for anything to do and it could create chaos. Hell I have seen firsthand how bad people are behaving when it takes an extra five minutes to get their burrito at Chipotle or Pizza at my friends store (or if they dare have to wait in a line 6 feet from someone else!!!) it will be ten times worse at a sitdown restaurant. If there is a long wait people will go nuts if they have to sit in their car because they have to social distance. If the meal takes longer than expected they are going to get angry and since we all know the food supply is being ravaged by this menu items will be hit or miss for quite a while.
And god forbid they open up and someone gets sick. No amount of comped meals is going to cover the hellfire that will reign down on that place. All it takes is one asymptomatic person to cough in the general direction of an old couple and...well we are seeing how that plays out.
My cousin works at a bar/restaurant in Wayzata. They have curbside and right now they dont even want to really open up fully or at 25%. (though they probably will) Their labor costs are awesome because they only have minimal staff and they are selling like 2k in a half day of being open. The workers are safe, the customers are safe and everyone is getting what they need. If/when they open up they will have to go to a much larger staff, take twice as many precautions to keep the staff/customers safe and it is almost a 100% guarantee the customers will not follow the guidelines of social distancing. (Wayzata People are quite entitled)
Walz is doing the right thing...it might seem unfair but again, life isnt fair. In reality he should be staying closed completely until the fall but that would bankrupt half of Northern Minnesota and probably a large percentage of the southern part. He needs to do this in steps. If the small open proves successful you take the next step. (50% capacity indoor and outdoor) There is more at stake here than just the small businesses.
As my GF's mom said the other day (who again was a banker and taught business for 2 decades) if with all of the resources available right now your business is failing, then it probably wasnt that successful to begin with. this is just economic Darwinism in its truest form. The businesses that survive are the ones that find a way to adapt. The ones that cant...well sorry but survival of the fittest. Capitalism baby!
It seems like Walz and the state have accepted the idea that people can be indoors, with proper social distancing, with use of masks, and all of the other steps. That makes sense and I've agreed with his decisions on that. But I don't get the rationale that it's safe enough to be indoors to go to Walmart or to get your hair done, or see your accountant, or whatever, and it's safe enough to eat together and take food orders and deliver food to people sitting outside, but somehow it's not safe enough to do that inside. It seems arbitrary to me, and not based upon any science or other hard facts. Will it be more safe for my wife to go in and get her hair colored for an hour, indoors, than it will to eat a meal indoors for an hour?
I hadn't really considered the idea about creating a hardship on the restaurant with an immediate reopening, and that's an interesting observation. I guess my response to that would be twofold. First, if Walz said they can open up the whole thing, that wouldn't mean they'd have to if they didn't think they could be ready. It kind of seems like government trying to protect restaurants from something they're fully capable of protecting themselves against.
Second, judging by the reaction of a lot of bar and restaurant owners, it doesn't sound like they were too worried about that, and in fact had been preparing to open fully on June 1.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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So, with regards to the Fair, what do you think would be worse - saying today no Fair or, saying it's going to happen, then a huge spike in cases in the next month, and the announcement that they have to cancel now? It would be cool if they said "we had to cancel because when we re-opened, you didn't follow the rules we put in place so it's basically your fault."
Also, I heard the Mohegun Sun casino in Connecticut is opening June 1. ::face palm:: That's going to be a **** show in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Scarlet View PostSo, with regards to the Fair, what do you think would be worse - saying today no Fair or, saying it's going to happen, then a huge spike in cases in the next month, and the announcement that they have to cancel now? It would be cool if they said "we had to cancel because when we re-opened, you didn't follow the rules we put in place so it's basically your fault."
Also, I heard the Mohegun Sun casino in Connecticut is opening June 1. ::face palm:: That's going to be a **** show in my opinion.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by Scarlet View PostSo, with regards to the Fair, what do you think would be worse - saying today no Fair or, saying it's going to happen, then a huge spike in cases in the next month, and the announcement that they have to cancel now? It would be cool if they said "we had to cancel because when we re-opened, you didn't follow the rules we put in place so it's basically your fault."
Also, I heard the Mohegun Sun casino in Connecticut is opening June 1. ::face palm:: That's going to be a **** show in my opinion.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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I was responding more in general not to you specifically"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostI think they should just say no fair today. Too many vendors have to line up kids to work and product. That has to be done sooner rather than later.
If they decide to stay open and close later the amount of money lost by the small businesses that rely on that 10 days will be EPIC. There will be no way to fix it. Cancel early and they can plan out a strategy."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Wilson Roosevelt Jerman, a former White House butler who worked under 11 US Presidents, has died after contracting coronavirus, his granddaughter confirms. He was 91 years old. https://t.co/AgWqqkm3vh
— CNN (@CNN) May 21, 2020"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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In retrospect, asking dudes to wear a mask if they go outside when they won't even wear a condom for 45 seconds was probably a big request.
— Charlotte Clymer 🏳️*🌈 (@cmclymer) May 20, 2020
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