POTUS 45.64: Governance By Unhinged Twitter Rants

[Rover]

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$5 says that Dumpy tries to host this at Mar-A-Lago if there are any issues with NC

This might be a legal question, but can Chump hold his convention in a place where the governor says yes and the city says no? For example, if Kemp wants it in GA but Atlanta's mayor says no, or it needs to have strict conditions attached, doesn't that kill the idea? Even if someone runs to court that's going to take multiple appeals and you can't exactly throw a convention for 20,000 people (Chump's preference) with a moment's notice.

This could be an issue in Nashville (Dem mayor I believe) or Houston, or a lot of other places. Not sure what the largest Gooper run city is but most are Dem controlled on a local level.

[unofan]

This might be a legal question, but can Chump hold his convention in a place where the governor says yes and the city says no? For example, if Kemp wants it in GA but Atlanta's mayor says no, or it needs to have strict conditions attached, doesn't that kill the idea? Even if someone runs to court that's going to take multiple appeals and you can't exactly throw a convention for 20,000 people (Chump's preference) with a moment's notice.

This could be an issue in Nashville (Dem mayor I believe) or Houston, or a lot of other places. Not sure what the largest Gooper run city is but most are Dem controlled on a local level.

Municipalities are creatures of the state, not independent sovereigns. So a governor can override a mayor.

[mookie1995]

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Greenland is nice in the summer

[Jimjamesak]

Municipalities are creatures of the state, not independent sovereigns. So a governor can override a mayor.

Not necessarily, Anchorage has repeatedly gone beyond the State with COVID-19 measures.

[JF_Gophers]

Not necessarily, Anchorage has repeatedly gone beyond the State with COVID-19 measures.

Why would the state push back on that? Having the ability to override doesnt mean they do in every instance.

[Kepler]

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Municipalities are creatures of the state, not independent sovereigns.

Oh, man, do not make this argument in the Commonwealth or they will have hot tar, feathers, and a rail waiting for you.

[SJHovey]

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Municipalities are creatures of the state, not independent sovereigns. So a governor can override a mayor.

What about home rule Charter cities like exist in Minnesota? Those cities are given extremely broad powers to adopt charters, which are essentially their own citywide constitution, and quite frequently those charters may impose rules more restrictive than state law. I'm not certain the Governor, at least in Minnesota, has the authority to just override that.

[unofan]

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Oh, man, do not make this argument in the Commonwealth or they will have hot tar, feathers, and a rail waiting for you.

FTFA: Virginia's independent cities were classified by the Virginia General Assembly in 1871 as cities of the first class and cities of the second class.[2] The Virginia Constitution of 1902 defined first class cities as those having a population of 10,000 or more based upon the last census enumeration while second class cities were those that had a population of less than 10,000.

Yeah, creatures of the state.

[unofan]

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What about home rule Charter cities like exist in Minnesota? Those cities are given extremely broad powers to adopt charters, which are essentially their own citywide constitution, and quite frequently those charters may impose rules more restrictive than state law. I'm not certain the Governor, at least in Minnesota, has the authority to just override that.

The State giveth, and the State can taketh away.

That doesn't mean they will. But states are more independent of the federal government than cities or counties are of the state.

[Rover]

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Another question while I have the lawyers here. The Roberts court just ruled in a 5-4 decision that Newsom can in fact restrict the # of people who can worship at a church due to public health concerns if I read the write up of the case correctly. Several fundies were butthurt over this because apparently he went further than he needed to in his ruling and could have just punted the case.

So, if the public health issue is still present, wouldn't a Gooper Gov basically have to declare that the virus threat is minimal and the entire state is open for large gatherings, including a national convention? You couldn't get away with just doing a one time except for the GOP convention, right, while everywhere else had to adhere to whatever the guidelines are at time?

[Kepler]

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FTFA: Virginia's independent cities were classified by the Virginia General Assembly in 1871 as cities of the first class and cities of the second class.[2] The Virginia Constitution of 1902 defined first class cities as those having a population of 10,000 or more based upon the last census enumeration while second class cities were those that had a population of less than 10,000.

Yeah, creatures of the state.

I'm not talking about the law. I am talking about reality. The law is a story we tell ourselves later to make the world seem under our control and just. But the fine crackers, er, citizens of Virginia are not interested in a sovereign they cannot punch in the nose after a leisurely walk from their doorway.

[SJHovey]

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The State giveth, and the State can taketh away.

That doesn't mean they will. But states are more independent of the federal government than cities or counties are of the state.

Sure, the legislature could enact a law, and then presuming the city charter provision was over the same subject matter, a court would probably say that the state legislation preempts the charter provision. But that's legislation. I don't think a governor can just disagree with a mayor or even a city council (at least in Minnesota) and say "you can't do that."

[unofan]

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Sure, the legislature could enact a law, and then presuming the city charter provision was over the same subject matter, a court would probably say that the state legislation preempts the charter provision. But that's legislation. I don't think a governor can just disagree with a mayor or even a city council (at least in Minnesota) and say "you can't do that."

If a state administration said, "the GOP convention meets all conditions for being held in this state and will not pose a threat to public health, therefore we will bring it here to this privately owned arena," I wouldn't want to be the city attorney trying to block it.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Look who decided to finally speak up!

General Mattis has Spokenhttps://t.co/RNajkHOtgd

— Badd Company (@BaddCompani) June 3, 2020

[Handyman]

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His concern isn't even noted and logged.

It is well written but like Dubya it changes nothing about my opinion of him.