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  • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

    Still 5 months go until Election Day, I wouldn't make any assumptions about the fallout from this yet.

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    • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

      If Trump wins re-election when in the course of 6 months he let a pandemic kill over 100k people, cratered the economy AND had riots in dozens of cities (including outside the WH while he cowered in a bunker with the lights off like a 5 year old watching Poltergeist) then it doesnt much matter anyways anymore cause America is dead.
      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
      -aparch

      "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
      -INCH

      Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
      -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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      • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
        If Trump wins re-election when in the course of 6 months he let a pandemic kill over 100k people, cratered the economy AND had riots in dozens of cities (including outside the WH while he cowered in a bunker with the lights off like a 5 year old watching Poltergeist) then it doesnt much matter anyways anymore cause America is dead.
        Dubya won in 2004.
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        • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          (including outside the WH while he cowered in a bunker with the lights off like a 5 year old watching Poltergeist)
          This girl was braver than Trump.

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          • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Dubya won in 2004.
            ?
            What were we facing in 2004 that compares to a pandemic that might kill hundreds of thousands, riots in dozens of cities and an economic calamity that might be the worst the nation has ever seen if it stays off the rails much longer?

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              • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                ?
                What were we facing in 2004 that compares to a pandemic that might kill hundreds of thousands, riots in dozens of cities and an economic calamity that might be the worst the nation has ever seen if it stays off the rails much longer?
                2004 showed me elections are not determined by conditions on the ground. Dubya had proven himself in every way incompetent, the Republicans had proven themselves in every way despicable, yet they still won. His voters would not abandon him because they literally could not see reality.

                2004 was when I realized elections are only about mobilization, because voters' choices are fixed. Nothing will change that: plague, civil war, treason are all irrelevant because they cannot penetrate the Republican brain.

                I believe only a small handful of Dump 2016 voters will change. All that matters will be turnout. The GOP believes it, too. That is why they have the pedal through the floor on voter suppression. We stop them or they steal it.
                Last edited by Kepler; 06-01-2020, 05:17 PM.
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                • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  2004 showed me elections are not determined by conditions on the ground. Dubya had proven himself in every way incompetent, and the Republicans had shown themselves in every way to be criminal, yet they still won. His voters would not abandon him because they literally could not see reality.

                  2004 was when I realized elections are only about mobilization, because voters' choices are fixed. Nothing will change that: plague, civil war, treason are all irrelevant because they cannot penetrate the Republican brain.

                  I believe only a small handful of Dump 2016 voters will change. All that matters will be turnout. The GOP believes it, too. That is why they have the pedal through the floor on voter suppression. We stop them or they steal it.
                  Gotcha, makes sense. I did not get that from the other post.

                  And yes, this election, like almost every one nowadays, is about turnout. If we turn our voters out, and if we hold a lid on the voter suppression, we'll win. Hell, if there was not voter suppression and Biden is still breathing and walking on election day, I think he might win 40 states.

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                  • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                    Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                    And yes, this election, like almost every one nowadays, is about turnout. If we turn our voters out, and if we hold a lid on the voter suppression, we'll win. Hell, if there was not voter suppression and Biden is still breathing and walking on election day, I think he might win 40 states.
                    I think the GOP wins 20 states with a Hitler / Hillary ticket.

                    Here are the Dem percentages of the 16 worst states as of 2018:

                    18 WY
                    25 KS
                    28 UT
                    28 SD
                    30 NE
                    30 ND
                    34 ID
                    35 AL
                    35 AS
                    35 TN
                    35 OK
                    36 MS
                    37 SC
                    38 IN
                    38 MO
                    39 MT
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                    • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                      Dang 39 in Montana? That's impressive actually.
                      the state of hockey is good

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                      • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                        Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
                        Dang 39 in Montana? That's impressive actually.
                        Still a large union presence from the mines there, I think.

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                        • Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

                          Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
                          Dang 39 in Montana? That's impressive actually.
                          A MT Dem is probably not a national Dem.
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                          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Dubya won in 2004.
                            Dubya had a war and sympathy from 9/11 still and Kerry waffles more than...well...The Waffle House. The situations don't parallel.

                            I am not worried about turnout...yet
                            Last edited by Handyman; 06-01-2020, 06:32 PM.
                            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                            -INCH

                            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                            -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                            • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                              Brilliant!
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

                              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                              -INCH

                              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                A MT Dem is probably not a national Dem.
                                I bet. Probably like a 60+ Iron Range Dem.
                                the state of hockey is good

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