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Originally posted by burd View PostI agree that it will come down to that small class of voters who either show up and vote D or stay home. And as much as we all learned in '16 to NEVER take an outcome for granted, I'm starting to feel Trump is gonna get evicted in November. I'll still do the grunt work this fall to ensure that happens, and there is a lot of time between now and November. But unless there is a major change in momentum, I think he's history this fall.
That's a confession. For the record? Be prepared for him to win, as most incumbents do.
Incumbents who sought and won reelection: (22 (20 if you only count FDR once))
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
Ulysses Grant
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt (x3)
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Lyndon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Obama
Incumbents who sought and lost their bid for a second term: (10)
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Martin Van Buren
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
William Howard Taft
Herbert Hoover
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
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Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?
And Ford was never elected so he's a special case.
I would say Dump is so spectacularly bad he ought to lose, but Dubya ought to have lost. That election left a mark -- it taught me elections are tribal; there is no rational element to them whatsoever. Obviously Dump's election in the first place confirmed this.
The Republicans elected that steaming pile of dog sh-t to the office of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and FDR. Even if we dispose of him in November they will never live that down and we can never forget what they are capable of.Cornell University
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostAnd Ford was never elected so he's a special case.
I would say Dump is so spectacularly bad he ought to lose, but Dubya ought to have lost. That election left a mark -- it taught me elections are tribal; there is no rational element to them whatsoever. Obviously Dump's election in the first place confirmed this.
The Republicans elected that steaming pile of dog sh-t to the office of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and FDR. Even if we dispose of him in November they will never live that down and we can never forget what they are capable of.Originally posted by BobbyBrady
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostI’m not sure about your opinion on 2004. It wasn’t that long after 9/11 and the Iraq War. Bush actually did work across the aisle and Kerry was a lot more unlikable than Biden. Also Bush is a million times more likable than Trump.
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Luckily there are very few Catholics in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) June 5, 2020
Oh.
Wait. https://t.co/ANidIoJtSd
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Originally posted by burd View PostAs soon as 9/11 happened people expressed fear that Dubya would go into Iraq. He did, under circumstances his own VP had very clearly and accurately warned against when he acted as SecDef for Bush I. It was the most catastrophic foreign policy decision since we became engaged in Vietnam, and by the time the 04 election came around, that was obvious to anyone not completely bound up in their own confirmation bias."I went over the facts in my head, and admired how much uglier the situation had just become. Over the years I've learned that ignorance is more than just bliss. It's freaking orgasmic ecstasy".- Harry Dresden, Blood Rites
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Originally posted by bronconick View PostPeople rally around the flag during wartime. Polling didn't fully tilt against Bush over deciding to invade Iraq until after the 2004 election.
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Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostLuckily there are very few Catholics in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) June 5, 2020
Oh.
Wait. https://t.co/ANidIoJtSd
I am shocked Dump was ever in the 60s with white Catholics, though I think I am biased because half my neighborhood growing up were the type of white Catholics who vote for Ford and Reagan but not Goldwater or Nixon.Last edited by Kepler; 06-05-2020, 09:29 AM.Cornell University
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Another interesting fact. The country has never seen a situation where four different individuals each served at least eight years as President, in a row.
Jefferson, Madison and Monroe each served eight years, but JQ Adams only lasted four.
FDR, Truman and Ike each served at least eight years, but JFK was assassinated.
Clinton, Bush II and Obama each served eight.
Seems like if we were going to break that streak, Trump would be an unusual one to choose to do it.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostAnother interesting fact. The country has never seen a situation where four different individuals each served at least eight years as President, in a row.
Jefferson, Madison and Monroe each served eight years, but JQ Adams only lasted four.
FDR, Truman and Ike each served at least eight years, but JFK was assassinated.
Clinton, Bush II and Obama each served eight.
Seems like if we were going to break that streak, Trump would be an unusual one to choose to do it.Last edited by WeAreNDHockey; 06-05-2020, 10:07 AM.
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Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View PostSmall nit, Truman did not serve 8 full years. He took office following FDRs death on April 12, 1945 and Eisenhower was inaugurated Jan. 20, 1953, so he was about 3 months short of 8 years. Truman's name appeared on an early primary in 1952 but following a loss to Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver he publicly announced he would not run.Cornell University
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Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View PostSmall nit, Truman did not serve 8 full years. He took office following FDRs death on April 12, 1945 and Eisenhower was inaugurated Jan. 20, 1953, so he was about 3 months short of 8 years. Truman's name appeared on an early primary in 1952 but following a loss to Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver he publicly announced he would not run.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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