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  • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    Everything they can short of literally locking everyone in their homes. Christ they have had a stay at home order since the 20th and all non-essential workers are to be at home. (Shelter in Place) That is a week faster than Walz did it...

    Sorry dude but throwing blame on Cuomo because Trump is threatening to force a quarantine (funny he wont do that in Florida...I wonder why) is pretty weak sauce. What do you think he should have done that he hasnt? And please provide some evidence besides something Donald *** Trump said ok thanks.
    *** are you rambling about? I haven't blamed Cuomo for anything per se, I'm asking why he's getting some huge pass for his own decision making. ffs we went on "shelter at home" here well before NY and with far more serious restrictions.

    There is no public transport of any kind, and you are not permitted to pass from one city to another without a pass which validates either essential work, medical treatment, etc. Banning public transport in NYC probably wouldn't work, but then limit it to employees of essential business in which they carry a state approved pass that allows them travel. I have one of those which allows me to travel into my office (deemed essential by the government) when I go through 2 checkpoints between my house and there. Luckily I work from home 4/5 days per week but on that 1 day I go in there is an easy process which allows it to happen. This isn't rocket science.

    The Feds and Province Governors have both issued official government releases that easily spell out what is or is not essential and after more than 2 weeks I've not heard of anyone having any issue with the process. I can get to grocery stores within my "zone", my bank, gas station, pharmacies, at least 2 hospitals off the top of my head, etc. I cannot however get to our version of Costco which is just outside my zone. I could not travel to Subic to go to the beach, I cannot travel to Manila unless I have a plane ticket or if I had say a hospital order mandating some type of treatment there.

    Whereas in NY it seems they are allowing anyone and everyone to travel wherever they want, city to city, county to county, in and out of the state. If I a reading that correctly that has to stop if they want real containment.

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    • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

      Yeesh another 140 deaths added to the US total in the past 2 hours according to Johns Hopkins...

      Cali at 5500 cases and climbing. NJ at over 11k and rising and NY over 55k. Mass is about to pass Washington State...
      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
      -aparch

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      -INCH

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      • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        *** are you rambling about? I haven't blamed Cuomo for anything per se, I'm asking why he's getting some huge pass for his own decision making. ffs we went on "shelter at home" here well before NY and with far more serious restrictions.

        There is no public transport of any kind, and you are not permitted to pass from one city to another without a pass which validates either essential work, medical treatment, etc. Banning public transport in NYC probably wouldn't work, but then limit it to employees of essential business in which they carry a state approved pass that allows them travel. I have one of those which allows me to travel into my office (deemed essential by the government) when I go through 2 checkpoints between my house and there. Luckily I work from home 4/5 days per week but on that 1 day I go in there is an easy process which allows it to happen. This isn't rocket science.

        The Feds and Province Governors have both issued official government releases that easily spell out what is or is not essential and after more than 2 weeks I've not heard of anyone having any issue with the process. I can get to grocery stores within my "zone", my bank, gas station, pharmacies, at least 2 hospitals off the top of my head, etc. I cannot however get to our version of Costco which is just outside my zone. I could not travel to Subic to go to the beach, I cannot travel to Manila unless I have a plane ticket or if I had say a hospital order mandating some type of treatment there.

        Whereas in NY it seems they are allowing anyone and everyone to travel wherever they want, city to city, county to county, in and out of the state. If I a reading that correctly that has to stop if they want real containment.
        You are in another friggin country. Talk about apples to oranges. What your country can and is willing to do and what States and the Federal Government here can and are willing to do are not the same.

        Cuomo is "getting a pass" because he is doing what he can in the situation as it presents itself. He cant just shut down NYC (let alone the whole state) to all travel, and he doesnt have the police force to stop all the people anyways. Not one governor could pull that off...hell Walz cant in a much smaller state with much less people. You expect Cuomo to declare Martial Law? Because short of that he cant do what you seem to think he should be doing. And if he shuts down public transportation than all business, essential or not, will likely shut down and hospitals will struggle. That isnt something the system can handle at this point in time.
        Last edited by Handyman; 03-28-2020, 07:47 PM.
        "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
        -aparch

        "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
        -INCH

        Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
        -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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        • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

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          • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

            US Deaths:
            Code:
            3/01      0
            3/02      5
            3/03      3
            3/04      2
            3/05      1
            3/06      3
            3/07      4
            3/08      3
            3/09      4
            3/10      4
            3/11      8
            3/12      3
            3/13      7
            3/14      9
            3/15     12
            3/16     18
            3/17     23
            3/18     40
            3/19     56
            3/20     49
            3/21     46
            3/22    113
            3/23    141
            3/24    225
            3/25    247
            3/26    268
            3/27    401
            3/28    525
            Last edited by Kepler; 03-28-2020, 09:01 PM.
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            • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

              An experimental projection: 1.28 * day (n) = day (n+1)

              US Deaths:
              Code:
              3/15     12
              3/16     18
              3/17     23
              3/18     40
              3/19     56
              3/20     49
              3/21     46
              3/22    113    Est
              3/23    141    145
              3/24    225    185
              3/25    247    237
              3/26    268    303
              3/27    401    388
              3/28    525    497
              3/29           636
              3/30           814
              3/31          1042
              4/01          1334
              4/02          1708
              4/03          2186
              The progression also eerily fits a modified Fibonacci offset by 1 datapoint: value(n) = value (n-2) + value(n-3)


              Code:
              3/15     12
              3/16     18 
              3/17     23    Est
              3/18     40     30
              3/19     56     41
              3/20     49     63
              3/21     46     96
              3/22    113    105
              3/23    141     95
              3/24    225    159
              3/25    247    254
              3/26    268    366
              3/27    401    472
              3/28    525    515
              3/29           620
              3/30           838
              3/31           987
              4/01          1135
              4/02          1458
              4/03          1825
              Last edited by Kepler; 03-28-2020, 09:16 PM.
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              • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                You are in another friggin country. Talk about apples to oranges. What your country can and is willing to do and what States and the Federal Government here can and are willing to do are not the same.

                Cuomo is "getting a pass" because he is doing what he can in the situation as it presents itself. He cant just shut down NYC (let alone the whole state) to all travel, and he doesnt have the police force to stop all the people anyways. Not one governor could pull that off...hell Walz cant in a much smaller state with much less people. You expect Cuomo to declare Martial Law? Because short of that he cant do what you seem to think he should be doing. And if he shuts down public transportation than all business, essential or not, will likely shut down and hospitals will struggle. That isnt something the system can handle at this point in time.
                Where did I remotely suggest he declare martial law? And I just freaking said he can't shut down public transit, but they can initiate measures that would restrict it to essential travelers such as police, medical staff, bankers, etc. I don't care that I'm in another country - steps are being taking and it didn't require martial law to accomplish it. You are wrong he can't do more and if you believe otherwise have it at. But don't treat me like I'm some dumb****** orc because God forbid I ask a legitimate question. You love to admonish rufus for going off on Rube and now you're doing the same thing.

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                • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                  Wow, who knew Slappy had become such a yuuuuge Duterte stan?

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                  • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                    Wow, who knew Slappy had become such a yuuuuge Duterte stan?
                    I wouldn't go that far.

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                    • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                      Got a text from my boss today, saying I have a hard copy of "essential worker" waiting for me at work, in case I get pulled over or whatever.

                      Shutting down would require martial law in this country. There is no other way to enforce "shelter in place"/etc.
                      Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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                      • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                        Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                        Got a text from my boss today, saying I have a hard copy of "essential worker" waiting for me at work, in case I get pulled over or whatever.

                        Shutting down would require martial law in this country. There is no other way to enforce "shelter in place"/etc.
                        It can be recommended without being strenuously enforced. The recommendation would go a long ways. The majority of people do not want to be dicks. We overestimate their numbers because seemingly every one of them has a show on Fox.

                        In most countries an order like that has extremely sporadic oversight. The cops only apprehend 1 person in 1,000. The rest of it is worked by public shaming, which can be very effective.

                        An even for those who are dicks, well, how many people steal from the "take a penny, give a penny" jar? That's essentially the number of Republicans in a given area.

                        Yeah, they have a party and they vote, but virtually none of them would stand against public scrutiny. Remember: while they are selfish they are even more cowardly.
                        Last edited by Kepler; 03-28-2020, 08:40 PM.
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                        • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          It can be recommended but not enforced. The recommendation would go a long ways. The majority of people do not want to be dicks. We overestimate their numbers because seemingly every one of them has a show on Fox.
                          From what I've seen, MN has been pretty good about the SIP policy, pretty much have been doing that before the official decree. We still do the "stop-n-gos" for curbside pickup (or get deliveries) at restaurants/breweries, to help keep their businesses running (as for "non-essentials") and that's about it.

                          Enforcement is a whole 'nother level.
                          Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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                          • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                            Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                            From what I've seen, MN has been pretty good about the SIP policy, pretty much have been doing that before the official decree. We still do the "stop-n-gos" for curbside pickup (or get deliveries) at restaurants/breweries, to help keep their businesses running (as for "non-essentials") and that's about it.

                            Enforcement is a whole 'nother level.
                            I was shocked by the bad behavior in the store I observed today because up until then everybody I've seen has been great. Even in stores that haven't marked out 6 foot dividers in lines people spontaneously queue up with distance.
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                            • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                              BUT FLORIDA!!!

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                              • Re: Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

                                Does NYC have the cops and/or MTA personnel to enforce social distancing at subway platforms and on trains?

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