Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

[burd]

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My primary grievance, if you want to call it that, has been with the large and wild guesses everyone throws around about how many people will be infected and how many people will die because of this. It only causes harm and misinformation, it doesn't help.

Unfortunately, emotional speculation is something most of us engage in when we're stressed. Still, if overestimating the effects of this disease causes people to take social distancing more seriously, then it is likely doing more good than harm.

[Jimjamesak]

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Piggybacking on dx’s post about Hawaii, Alaska has mandated a two-week quarantine for anyone who comes from outside the state. No SIP order yet though Anchorage has issued a “hunker down” order and the state has closed schools and restaurants until May. Rural legislators are practically begging for a SIP order to stop the spread to rural villages (who have s-ty health care).

[alfablue]

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On the "dying" part of your post...people will die. A lot of people. I hate that this is a fact, but I have accepted it. Do I want that? Hell no. But I cannot really change that fact, and you can't either. It sucks.

Why accept preventable deaths???? Why?

We have two very clear paths- interrupt and prevent so that the actual deaths is pretty small, or half *** at and let the actual deaths be high. Why choose high when there's a low choice??? It's also one thing to accept the abstract concept that people will die, but it's totally another when you ask the exact same question to your family and friends- which ones of those are you willing to let go?

There are tons of laws on the books that prevent a lot of huge $$ made to save a small part of the public via preventable deaths. How is this different??

[Kepler]

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General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020

He has the Defense Production Act to do this. Does he not know? I mean, of course he doesn't know, but do the idiots around him n--. Never mind.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Oh really, dumb ****s? You had a chance to severely lessen this and you sat around and screamed hoax.

“ Dr. Scott Gottlieb, President Trump's former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, is warning that the coronavirus epidemic in the United States is "likely to be national in scope."

"I’m worried about emerging situations in New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, among others. In China no province outside Hubei ever had more than 1,500 cases. In U.S. 11 states already hit that total."

[The Rube]

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Why accept preventable deaths???? Why?

We have two very clear paths- interrupt and prevent so that the actual deaths is pretty small, or half *** at and let the actual deaths be high. Why choose high when there's a low choice??? It's also one thing to accept the abstract concept that people will die, but it's totally another when you ask the exact same question to your family and friends- which ones of those are you willing to let go?

There are tons of laws on the books that prevent a lot of huge $$ made to save a small part of the public via preventable deaths. How is this different??

Because everyone reacted so late, there will be deaths that are not preventable. Again, I don't like that fact, but I've accepted it. They either can't get help, or won't get help. Even worse, their body cannot deal with it whatsoever and their body just shuts down before they even have a chance to get help.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Because everyone reacted so late, there will be deaths that are not preventable. Again, I don't like that fact, but I've accepted it. They either can't get help, or won't get help. Even worse, their body cannot deal with it whatsoever and their body just shuts down before they even have a chance to get help.

One thing you can do is vote for candidates who are not of the party that thinks public health is a joke and a hoax

[alfablue]

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I can't speak for everyone, but I will speak for myself.

First, I tend to believe that the number of people who get this will be similar whether we undertake mitigation or not. Mitigation simply affects the timing of when they get it, and as has been pointed out, that may have a significant impact on healthcare for those people.

I don't think I'm alone in this regard. Even Governor Walz, with all of his charts that he used during Wednesday's speech, seemed to indicate that between 2 and 2.5 million people in Minnesota will get this disease whether we stay at home or not, and all he's trying to do is affect the timing.

Now, as many of you know, I tend to disagree with the estimates that 50-70% of us will get infected, either now or delayed due to mitigation. But that's simply my own personal skepticism. Right now we're all just guessing, and I'm guessing a lower number than people like Walz. I'm not even sure we'll ever find out who was right. But whatever that number is, I think it's going to occur with or without mitigation, the only question is how much can we slow it or spread it out.

I also think a number of people will die from it, and the number could be substantial. Does that mean I'm happy about it? Of course not. I think people will die of cancer, will die of heart disease, etc... Those are simple facts and I accept them. That doesn't mean I'm happy about them or that we should just "let them happen." But I acknowledge them as a fact of life.

I have also stated that if 50,000 or 100,000 or even, heaven forbid, a million people die from this virus, it is not end times. People die. We should try to prevent it if we can, but we're all ending up in the same place.

Here's the thing- we have two paths we can follow- S Korea or Italy.

In one case, X% of the population gets it, and 0.1% of them die. In that case, people who die of other reasons are not increased because the system is working properly.

In the other case, the same X% of the population gets it, but 3% of them die, and in addition to that- other forms of death spike due to the system not being able to care for them.

This isn't a guess, this is what exactly is happening in other parts of the world.

Why choose more deaths???? Seems to me that this country is so obsessed with money that it's the primary weighing factor when it comes to how we deal with it. Which is kind of sad- if I were told to come back to work so that I can make $15/hr so that my isolated managers and owners can make huge dollars, it would certainly make me pause and ask if it's really worth it.

Yes, we don't have exact numbers of how many people will be infected, nor the final death rate. But to sit back and pretend that there's nothing we can do about it when we see REAL effects of efforts around the world, and then accept the abstract idea that just more people are going to die is pretty short sighted.

There'e more to life than to just make a buck.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I'll be curious as to what level of effect the shuttering of "non-essential" businesses is really having. It seems most businesses in most states are being deemed "essential." Many of the orders the various governors have issued have similar or even identical language. Wisconsin's order even states that in the "extraordinary circumstance" your business is NOT listed among the essential ones that can remain open, you should seek out the opinion of state officials who will assist you in determining if in fact you could stay open for business.

I have union members in 3 different states and not a single one has been furloughed as a result. A few have been offered the opportunity to stay home for the duration (none of my members can work from home), but other than using up earned paid-time-off, it would be without pay if it is their choice. Many will be eligible for unemployment insurance if their employer sends them home. But again, not a single one has had their business closed and of employers in 13 different locations, only one does work that I think it remotely critical to maintaining any necessary infrastructure.

I realize a huge number of people have seen their employment disrupted or ended by this, and for them that sucks. But if we're really interested in social distancing and "safer at home" measures, what we're doing as far as employment does not seem to be nearly enough. Some of these governors of course know if they go as far as they probably should their legislatures, many benefitting from overwhelmingly gerrymandered republican super majorities, will scream bloody murder and moan about the effect on the economy. Well, if 20% of the workforce is going to be shut down anyway, we're in for a wild economic ride no matter what. You may as well actually make it effective. We should have had a nationwide shutdown 3 weeks ago of virtually all work. Had that happened, I bet trump's wet dream about Easter might have actually been possible.

[alfablue]

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Because everyone reacted so late, there will be deaths that are not preventable. Again, I don't like that fact, but I've accepted it. They either can't get help, or won't get help. Even worse, their body cannot deal with it whatsoever and their body just shuts down before they even have a chance to get help.

So does that mean you 100% accept not being able to take any help for you and ALL of your family if any of you get sick? We are not talking the family members you don't get along with, but the ones you love the most. Stop thinking in the abstract and back to the real.

Other people are not willing to go that far.

And there is still more we can do.

[The Rube]

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The "essential" thing is kind of a joke. As I've said before, it's Social Distancing Double Secret Probation. A wagging finger saying "we really mean it!" That's about it.

[The Rube]

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So does that mean you 100% accept not being able to take any help for you and ALL of your family if any of you get sick? We are not talking the family members you don't get along with, but the ones you love the most. Stop thinking in the abstract and back to the real.

Other people are not willing to go that far.

And there is still more we can do.

You are missing my point. Because of this massive fail on PPE/tests/etc, deaths will happen. If it happened to someone in my family, and there was no way to help them, I'd accept it, because I'd have no other choice. Again, it SUCKS. I DO NOT LIKE THAT ONE BIT.

It's one thing to accept, it's a whole different thing to approve.

[Handyman]

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General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020

So wait...now we DO need vents? Huh...

[Handyman]

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Oh really, dumb ****s? You had a chance to severely lessen this and you sat around and screamed hoax.

“ Dr. Scott Gottlieb, President Trump's former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, is warning that the coronavirus epidemic in the United States is "likely to be national in scope."

"I’m worried about emerging situations in New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, among others. In China no province outside Hubei ever had more than 1,500 cases. In U.S. 11 states already hit that total."

Welcome to a month ago you waste of carbon.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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I hope a lot of campaigns ads come out showing the scenes in NYC and emphasizing how many republicans and their brain dead followers were still downplaying it

It's obvious now: All that love and solidarity with NYC after 9/11 by people across the political spectrum was bull****. It was just bc the city was attacked by foreign terrorists. This time, people are dying bc of foot dragging by the president & his cult couldn't care less

— Tim Wise (@timjacobwise) March 27, 2020