Covfefe-19: We're all getting $5/hour more in hazard pay!

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

It's fine to accept there will be deaths, but it's wrong to say nothing could've been done. Many of those deaths may have been preventable with a quicker and broader federal response.

Didn’t you know, only dem presidents are expected to respond and save lives and will get railed if they don’t.

[Kepler]

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Just imagine if we had had policies and procedures in place to deal with this AND we had kicked all the protocols in as soon as it was discovered in China. The impact would have been so much less.

In other words, imagine Hillary wins the election.

There will be many excess deaths solely due to Dump winning. The tragedy is many of them will be Democrats. The comedy is many of them will be Republicans.

[WisconsinWildcard]

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I'm not even sure we'll ever find out who was right.

If and when we get ahead of this, we will be able to check population serology and determine the extent of exposure. With information on the front lines, I suspect we have had community spread for sometime and that the actual numbers right now active infections/recoveries are a gross underestimate due our incompetence with testing.

Deaths are also likely underestimated due to tracking issues mentioned by others. I suspect we missed a lot of deaths early. I know of one prominent example that was blamed on seronegative influenza that was possibly/probably Covid-19. There is not clear guidance on what is the best thing to put in a death note...everyone eventually either dies from cardiac arrest or brain death, but that is not the "cause" in a majority of cases.

[Kepler]

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I'm not even sure we'll ever find out who was right.

Maybe, but we all know when you guys will admit it.

[Handyman]

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Yeah I like following Andy for information. He’s doing more work than Seema.

I am not ripping Andy, I follow him too. But he has a propensity to sometimes clickbait. IMHO he did that here because his tweet doesnt exactly match up with the truth of the situation. (plus he kept it vague for a reason and it wasnt just to protect the hospital) He makes it easier for the MAGAytes to shout him down if he plays a little loose and in this case I dont think he needed to anyways.

[Kepler]

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Norms are cute but force is the basis of social reality.

A Chinese government-backed property giant has secretly raided in bulk Australia’s supplies of masks, hand sanitiser, antibacterial wipes and essential medical supplies and shipped them back to China.

The Greenland Group, which manages high-end real estate projects in Sydney and Melbourne, proactively drained Australian supplies of anti-coronavirus equipment, The Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Three million surgical masks, 500,000 pairs of gloves and bulk supplies of sanitiser and wipes were bought up in Australia and other countries where Greenland operates.

While the bulk purchases and shipping were perfectly legitimate, the goods shipped in bulk to China include the very items that have been in short supply for Australian citizens as well as health professionals.

They were accumulated at Greenland’s Sydney headquarters and sent to China over weeks in January and February.

As coronavirus locked down Wuhan, the global Fortune 500 company put its normal work on hold and instructed staff in Australia, Canada, Turkey and elsewhere to source supplies.

Pallet loads of items including thermometers and 700,000 hazmat suits were sent to China, the Herald reported.

Greenland deployed its HR staff members, contract managers and others away from their desks to go out and amass as many of the items as possible.

[Handyman]

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Updated totals:

553k worldwide
US: 86k


New York is pushing 40k cases by far the leader in the clubhouse.

[mookie1995]

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Norms are cute but force is the basis of social reality.

and here is was going to be the soviets who bought the rope off the us to hang them with

[burd]

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I can't speak for everyone, but I will speak for myself.

First, I tend to believe that the number of people who get this will be similar whether we undertake mitigation or not. Mitigation simply affects the timing of when they get it, and as has been pointed out, that may have a significant impact on healthcare for those people.

I don't think I'm alone in this regard. Even Governor Walz, with all of his charts that he used during Wednesday's speech, seemed to indicate that between 2 and 2.5 million people in Minnesota will get this disease whether we stay at home or not, and all he's trying to do is affect the timing.

Now, as many of you know, I tend to disagree with the estimates that 50-70% of us will get infected, either now or delayed due to mitigation. But that's simply my own personal skepticism. Right now we're all just guessing, and I'm guessing a lower number than people like Walz. I'm not even sure we'll ever find out who was right. But whatever that number is, I think it's going to occur with or without mitigation, the only question is how much can we slow it or spread it out.

I also think a number of people will die from it, and the number could be substantial. Does that mean I'm happy about it? Of course not. I think people will die of cancer, will die of heart disease, etc... Those are simple facts and I accept them. That doesn't mean I'm happy about them or that we should just "let them happen." But I acknowledge them as a fact of life.

I have also stated that if 50,000 or 100,000 or even, heaven forbid, a million people die from this virus, it is not end times. People die. We should try to prevent it if we can, but we're all ending up in the same place.

About cancer and other diseases in the context of Covid. Several weeks ago, before many states adopted SIP, including Wisconsin, I was diagnosed with colon cancer. It was discovered as a result of other difficulties I was experiencing, which led to an ER visit and the testing that revealed the C. As is usually the case, they moved swiftly, and I have already had surgery and all the associated tissue testing. Things look good for me, and I appear to have dodged that bullet. I have reason to think the swift response by the hospital, the various labs and numerous experts was a factor, though I don't know that for sure. What I am saying is that the risk of allowing Covid to overwhelm the medical care system is not limited to Covid patients. In fact, I suspect the primary risk is the care providers' inability to timely respond to all the other life threatening acute care situations which they deal with every day and which are unrelated to Covid.

I know you were not ignoring that factor, Hovey--you are more logical than that--but my own anecdotal experience prompted me to point that out.

I haven't been following this thread closely to know whether this has been discussed at length, but another compelling but darker question is the herd-culling capacity of this pandemic and all the related ethical and existential questions. I think a lot of people are more than willing to just sit back and this natural disaster cull the weakest and most vulnerable from the herd.

[SJHovey]

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Maybe, but we all know when you guys will admit it.

I'm not certain there is going to be anything I'll need to admit.

[Handyman]

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Apparently these guys arent very happy Dr. Brix is misrepresenting their findings...

@unload Here’s your unroll: https://t.co/yHf2NvNKk1

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[ScoobyDoo]

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Yeah. I find it fascinating that Trump found yet another woman to lie for him. It's mind boggling.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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My partner, the doctor, rolling her eyes: tell them I don’t want their claps and cheers during a pandemic, I want them to stop voting like dummies for sociopaths who don’t want them to have decent healthcare systems at all in the first place

— ❤️ (@umairh) March 26, 2020

[SJHovey]

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About cancer and other diseases in the context of Covid. Several weeks ago, before many states adopted SIP, including Wisconsin, I was diagnosed with colon cancer. It was discovered as a result of other difficulties I was experiencing, which led to an ER visit and the testing that revealed the C. As is usually the case, they moved swiftly, and I have already had surgery and all the associated tissue testing. Things look good for me, and I appear to have dodged that bullet. I have reason to think the swift response by the hospital, the various labs and numerous experts was a factor, though I don't know that for sure. What I am saying is that the risk of allowing Covid to overwhelm the medical care system is not limited to Covid patients. In fact, I suspect the primary risk is the care providers' inability to timely respond to all the other life threatening acute care situations which they deal with every day and which are unrelated to Covid.

I know you were not ignoring that factor, Hovey--you are more logical than that--but my own anecdotal experience prompted me to point that out.

I haven't been following this thread closely to know whether this has been discussed at length, but another compelling but darker question is the herd-culling capacity of this pandemic and all the related ethical and existential questions. I think a lot of people are more than willing to just sit back and this natural disaster cull the weakest and most vulnerable from the herd.

I understand. I personally have had a surgery delayed. It won't kill me (it certainly shouldn't anyway) but I get that there are people who will be in car accidents who will be brought to hospitals that are stressed due to covid-19, and may not be able to get all the treatment they need.

I get all of that, and I've had no objection to the social distancing or stay at home orders.

My primary grievance, if you want to call it that, has been with the large and wild guesses everyone throws around about how many people will be infected and how many people will die because of this. It only causes harm and misinformation, it doesn't help.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020