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Originally posted by e.cat View PostThat brings us out to the second week in May. To be fair Trump said Aril 12. What's another few weeks?
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The President must realize that we are not going to "win" or "defeat" the virus anymore than we are going to defeat the cold or flu. You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it. This evening the President walked back the opening and walked up nationalism. His Dr. Birx introduction, saying she was the top expert, was a shot at Dr. Fauci. Dr. Birx took it to a new level today. Always classy and well put together, she had a fully accessorized wardrobe change between the town hall and the briefing. Kudlow was pointless until he said that 1/3 of the bailout is for direct assistance and 2/3 is to increase the Federal Reserve's lending power/replenish the treasury. How had I not heard that before? Why did Apple have nine million N 95 masks? Nine million??? Pence said "weeks not months", did not say days. Thinking back on it, this may have been the first briefing sans prop for him. They kept it brief, the media strategy going forward may be FoxNews serving up relative softballs in a non-confrontational environment in the afternoon, fewer media questions at the briefings.
We should stop all air travel > April 12 minimum.I will not be out cheered in my own building.
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Originally posted by Darius View PostThe President must realize that we are not going to "win" or "defeat" the virus anymore than we are going to defeat the cold or flu. You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it. This evening the President walked back the opening and walked up nationalism. His Dr. Birx introduction, saying she was the top expert, was a shot at Dr. Fauci. Dr. Birx took it to a new level today. Always classy and well put together, she had a fully accessorized wardrobe change between the town hall and the briefing. Kudlow was pointless until he said that 1/3 of the bailout is for direct assistance and 2/3 is to increase the Federal Reserve's lending power/replenish the treasury. How had I not heard that before? Why did Apple have nine million N 95 masks? Nine million??? Pence said "weeks not months", did not say days. Thinking back on it, this may have been the first briefing sans prop for him. They kept it brief, the media strategy going forward may be FoxNews serving up relative softballs in a non-confrontational environment in the afternoon, fewer media questions at the briefings.
We should stop all air travel > April 12 minimum.I'm just here for the hockey...
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When I posted a blog article at 1:40 this afternoon, the death toll was 600 in the US and 18,227 worldwide. Now, 9 hours later, the US death toll is 783 and the worldwide death toll is 18,882. (Source: Johns Hopkins University)
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Originally posted by Darius View PostCoronavirus: US man dies after taking drug he thought stopped virus:
https://www.bbc.com/news/52012242
... had used chloroquine previously as a treatment for their koi fish and still had some remaining in their home. This additive is formulated differently than the drug used to treat malaria...
Nothing that would ever have been prescribed for COVID-19. A sad and desperate (but dumb) mistake.
Hydroxychloroquine is the anti-malaria substance being tested in some cases to treat COVID-19.
Just catching up on the day's posts - not picking on you at random, Darius.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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This is how a true leader under stress should speak to his public during a crisis like this. The numbers quoted by Gov. Cuomo are startling. I don't think he is being alarmist, he is working off of facts provided by epidemiologists and other experts that are more experienced than him in dealing with this crisis. He is begging the Feds for ventilators needed for his state with 25,000 cases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZgDSYXZe90YALE HOCKEY
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Originally posted by e.cat View PostLives will hang in the balance if the economy tanks Ref. It's not about the almighty dollar. It's about paying your bills and putting food on the table. It's a balancing act now. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The ramifications of a Great Depression like meltdown would probably increase the risk of future pandemics worse than what we are dealing with now.Originally posted by e.cat View PostI think we should be selective. Hotspots should not just be social distancing but stay in lockdown per individual state mandates. What's good for South Dakota is probably not good for New York or Washington state. We should continue to be surgical with preventions and mandates and not do a countrywide shutdown. IMO that would be a disaster.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by HockeyRef View PostPs..Dan Patrick of Texas thinks older people would gladly sacrifice themselves for the economy? Wtaf..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIz4y7ni_Go
For what it's worth, the US fatalities per diagnosed case ratio is trending down closer to 1%, or pretty much in line with the much vaunted South Korean rate.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostThe TX lieutenant governor was speaking for himself, and many older constituents he's spoken with. I'm not his constituent, but my feelings are similar, as I've said on here several times before. Amazing just to see what he's said completely exaggerated and bent out of context. Best to view the source itself. Here's a link to exactly what Lt. Gov. Patrick said to Tucker Carlson on Monday night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIz4y7ni_Go
For what it's worth, the US fatalities per diagnosed case ratio is trending down closer to 1%, or pretty much in line with the much vaunted South Korean rate.
"Yeah," said Patrick."Last edited by LTsatch; 03-25-2020, 12:15 AM.YALE HOCKEY
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostHe ended up ingesting chloroquine phosphate, in this instance being used as an aquarium cleaner.
Nothing that would ever have been prescribed for COVID-19. A sad and desperate (but dumb) mistake.
Hydroxychloroquine is the anti-malaria substance being tested in some cases to treat COVID-19.
Just catching up on the day's posts - not picking on you at random, Darius.
Dave Boulware in the Division of Infectious Diseases at my university is currently leading a collaborative RCT team consisting of infectious disease faculty physicians, biostatisticians, pharmacologists and U of M students.
According to VP Pence, massive supplies of HCQ are being shipped to the US from overseas and pharma companies like Bayer are now producing large quantities of HCQ which will offset the demand by patients with autoimmune diseases such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.
Yesterday, the FDA approved "off label" use of HCQ while more data collection continues to emerge from RCTs now being conducted in various parts of the world.
Vice President Mike Pence said Tuesday that “the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] is approving off-label use for the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine right now" to help coronavirus patients. Doctors can now prescribe chloroquine for that off-label purpose of dealing with the symptoms of coronavirus. We are making that clear across the country."
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Originally posted by LTsatch View PostFor a seemingly educated individual, the only thing I see in my mind when you bloviate is Martin Short playing the cigarette lawyer on SOL. Lie, lie, lie. Deny, deny, deny. Quote the interview. "You're basically saying that this disease could take your life, but that's not the scariest thing to you," replied Fox News host Tucker Carlson. "There's something that would be worse than dying."
"Yeah," said Patrick."
Who are you to question the sincerity of the man, a 70 year old man who's apparently lived a very fulfilling life, and someone who wants the best for his kids and grandkids? If he thinks the aftermath of this situation is going to make the lives of his children and his grandchildren something short of the full American experience … and he is willing (like I am, at age 58) to "take our chances" and try to keep the country running at as close to normal as possible … who are you to question his (or my) sincerity?
Personally, I've enjoyed a great life, and like Patrick, I hope it will continue for a few more years. But if sitting on the sidelines and emerging in a welfare state existence for another 20 years of mere existence is one option, and fighting right now to keep our country afloat and at a better long-term quality of life is the other option - at some risk to my personal health - I'm all for Door Number Two. Maybe you're a Door Number One safety-first, low-risk person? Nothing wrong with that - to each their own.
But don't tell me (or Patrick, or other like-minded folks) that we're insincere or disingenuous. We clearly view our lives differently from how you view yours. And without stepping squarely on the USCHO "third rail" … some of us believe there is something after this life on Earth is over, and we're more at peace with our inevitable mortality as a result. I have no idea how you feel about that in your life, and it's not up to me to judge. A little tolerance - with lots of hearty and open good-faith debate - works much better.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by SteveO View PostGreetings Chuck! You're right on here. I would add too that the administration and titration of hydroxlchloroquine (HCQ) to CoV-19 patients should be monitored under physician's care. It should not be self-administered at this time until more data is gathered. RCTs are now being conducted in NY as of Tuesday, and in other locations throughout the country.
Dave Boulware in the Division of Infectious Diseases at my university is currently leading a collaborative RCT team consisting of infectious disease faculty physicians, biostatisticians, pharmacologists and U of M students.
According to VP Pence, massive supplies of HCQ are being shipped to the US from overseas and pharma companies like Bayer are now producing large quantities of HCQ which will offset the demand by patients with autoimmune diseases such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.
Yesterday, the FDA approved "off label" use of HCQ while more data collection continues to emerge from RCTs now being conducted in various parts of the world.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
Montreal Expos Forever ...
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Originally posted by e.cat View PostI think we should be selective. Hotspots should not just be social distancing but stay in lockdown per individual state mandates. What's good for South Dakota is probably not good for New York or Washington state. We should continue to be surgical with preventions and mandates and not do a countrywide shutdown. IMO that would be a disaster.
I live near a resort town north of a Manila. When Manila received harsh lockdown rules, suddenly every hotel, b&b and motel was at capacity. A great short term financial boost, but again when the virus starts spreading there?
Trump has either been wrong or deceitful every step of the way through this, and I don't trust for one second he has the smarts, leadership or wherewithal to get us out of it without significant intervention from others.
For instance I trust this guy:
"It’s very tough to say to people, ‘Hey, keep going to restaurants, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner. We want you to keep spending because there’s maybe a politician who thinks GDP growth is what really counts,'" Gates said. https://t.co/JY6kUEIkYR
— The Hill (@thehill) March 24, 2020
Projected date of surpassing hospital bed capacity, by state, based upon different levels of action/inaction for containment. Pretty sobering.Last edited by Slap Shot; 03-25-2020, 02:12 AM.
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostSerious question - how old are you? Do you have children? Do you have grandchildren?
Who are you to question the sincerity of the man, a 70 year old man who's apparently lived a very fulfilling life, and someone who wants the best for his kids and grandkids? If he thinks the aftermath of this situation is going to make the lives of his children and his grandchildren something short of the full American experience … and he is willing (like I am, at age 58) to "take our chances" and try to keep the country running at as close to normal as possible … who are you to question his (or my) sincerity?
Personally, I've enjoyed a great life, and like Patrick, I hope it will continue for a few more years. But if sitting on the sidelines and emerging in a welfare state existence for another 20 years of mere existence is one option, and fighting right now to keep our country afloat and at a better long-term quality of life is the other option - at some risk to my personal health - I'm all for Door Number Two. Maybe you're a Door Number One safety-first, low-risk person? Nothing wrong with that - to each their own.
But don't tell me (or Patrick, or other like-minded folks) that we're insincere or disingenuous. We clearly view our lives differently from how you view yours. And without stepping squarely on the USCHO "third rail" … some of us believe there is something after this life on Earth is over, and we're more at peace with our inevitable mortality as a result. I have no idea how you feel about that in your life, and it's not up to me to judge. A little tolerance - with lots of hearty and open good-faith debate - works much better.YALE HOCKEY
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