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    With 1 in 10 Americans (12-16 mil) currently unemployed, and getting worse, due to the Wuhan Virus, the economic, family and social damage will begin to rapidly take their toll. We are looking at serious and far-reaching damage to our society that could be difficult to repair. I would hope that WE are serious about our CHILDREN's and GRANDCHILDREN's futures here in AMERICA, so I think we need to open up the discussions on how we get this country back to work.

    I have a simple and serious idea to get ALL of us back to work much faster. We all need to have some skin in the game, so the pain is equalized and EVERYONE feels it. Right now the private sector is taking the brunt of the 12-16 Mil job losses, unless I missed the large number of furloughs and layoffs occurring within the public sector. To balance the pain across private and public, I propose;

    1) ALL Hospital Healthcare workers get a 10% "Combat" Pay Raise during the crisis
    2) ALL PUBLIC workers (police, fire, governors, federal/state workers, Elected reps INCLUDED) AND RETIREES will take a 25% pay and benefits reduction until businesses in ALL states are allowed to open up AND the unemployment rate is back to the 4.7% under the previous administration.

    How quickly do you think this measure might have the country talking about options and getting back in business??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    With 1 in 10 Americans (12-16 mil) currently unemployed, and getting worse, due to the Wuhan Virus, the economic, family and social damage will begin to rapidly take their toll. We are looking at serious and far-reaching damage to our society that could be difficult to repair. I would hope that WE are serious about our CHILDREN's and GRANDCHILDREN's futures here in AMERICA, so I think we need to open up the discussions on how we get this country back to work.

    I have a simple and serious idea to get ALL of us back to work much faster. We all need to have some skin in the game, so the pain is equalized and EVERYONE feels it. Right now the private sector is taking the brunt of the 12-16 Mil job losses, unless I missed the large number of furloughs and layoffs occurring within the public sector. To balance the pain across private and public, I propose;

    1) ALL Hospital Healthcare workers get a 10% "Combat" Pay Raise during the crisis
    2) ALL PUBLIC workers (police, fire, governors, federal/state workers, Elected reps INCLUDED) AND RETIREES will take a 25% pay and benefits reduction until businesses in ALL states are allowed to open up AND the unemployment rate is back to the 4.7% under the previous administration.

    How quickly do you think this measure might have the country talking about options and getting back in business??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    I have a simple and serious idea to get ALL of us back to work much faster. We all need to have some skin in the game, so the pain is equalized and EVERYONE feels it. Right now the private sector is taking the brunt of the 12-16 Mil job losses, unless I missed the large number of furloughs and layoffs occurring within the public sector. To balance the pain across private and public, I propose;

    1) ALL Hospital Healthcare workers get a 10% "Combat" Pay Raise during the crisis
    2) ALL PUBLIC workers (police, fire, governors, federal/state workers, Elected reps INCLUDED) AND RETIREES will take a 25% pay and benefits reduction until businesses in ALL states are allowed to open up AND the unemployment rate is back to the 4.7% under the previous administration.

    How quickly do you think this measure might have the country talking about options and getting back in business??
    Brilliant. Throw in academia while we're at it. Their howls of anguish alone would be worth it.

    Incentivizing medical research for cures, suspending non-essential research sounds good too.
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    Brilliant. Throw in academia while we're at it. Their howls of anguish alone would be worth it.

    Incentivizing medical research for cures, suspending non-essential research sounds good too.
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    Boy is that going to be abused. Conservatives are going to see that and bellow "lift the mitigations now since it doesn't matter hurr!" when what it's saying is "don't lift the mitigations in 2 months; that still isn't long enough, stupid."

    How about don't lift the mitigations until everybody's been inoculated with vaccine? Like, don't open the air lock until everybody has their helmet on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    Right now the private sector is taking the brunt of the 12-16 Mil job losses
    The private sector also reaped the rewards of the last 11 years of economic growth. Most states still employ fewer people than they did in 2008.

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    Boy is that going to be abused. Conservatives are going to see that and bellow "lift the mitigations now since it doesn't matter hurr!" when what it's saying is "don't lift the mitigations in 2 months; that still isn't long enough, stupid."

    How about don't lift the mitigations until everybody's been inoculated with vaccine? Like, don't open the air lock until everybody has their helmet on?
    That seriously is your solution? Just lock everyone up at home for 18 months or so?
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    Hahahahahaha … Snopes … good one … oh, you're serious?!? OK, you run with that.

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    Listen … if you decide to rely upon Snopes in the future, just imagine me having the same reaction you might have when I might use a conservative source, OK? Same difference.

    Speaking of same difference, having seen the straight-down-the-line work the WHO has done in criticizing enabling those nice totalitarian Chinese communists and their Commandant President Xi-The-Pooh, I hope no one out there still believes the IPCC (hahahahaha) is some impartial international scientific body, instead of just another political hack organization trying to push a globalist socialist agenda at the US' expense. I mean, why else doesn't IPCC focus on China and India for mandatory cuts and mitigation measures, given that they're by far the world's biggest polluters. That's obvious to you smart folks now, right?!?

    ((( … awaiting arrival of the Snopes fact-check with a predictable "Mostly False" finding … )))

    Now back to the abortion reproductive health thing, where I see several predictable attempts to dodge the issue, which tells its own tale. It's almost comical how easily some (not all) "science" worshipers on the left dismiss the hundreds of thousands of lives that never get to be lived, out of no fault of their own … yet they get self-righteously apoplectic and judgmental whenever they perceive the slightest degree of callousness about the tens of thousands of people we are losing to COVD-19. It's also quite interesting how little age-specific and/or "compromised patient" data on the COVID-19 death toll is being released to the public. Almost like we're not allowed to talk about it, or maybe it just doesn't fit the narrative. But people notice this data is being hidden.

    No one - and I mean NO ONE - is happy to see loss of life mostly among our older population. As someone who lost my 87 year old father just over four years ago to this date, in the aftermath of strokes, where he spent most of his final days of "life" hooked up to a ventilator, I have first-hand experience in what that all looks/feels like. Dad lived a great, full life … very physically active through his mid-80's until his first stroke, and even self-mobile for a year-plus after that. But he made it clear to us all that if his condition were ever to slip again into mere existence relying on a machine, he urged us all to let it peacefully come to an end for him. You can't imagine how much that clarity helped us when that sad moment arrived, when doctors came to us to tell us they couldn't do anything further. And I don't think Dad's thoughts were unlike how many (maybe most) who reach advanced age feel.
    Seeing what he went through, I've told those close to me the same thing - "Life has been great … but if it's my time, it's my time".

    Until we're honest about who/what it is we're trying to save, and just how much we're being asked to sacrifice to that end, we're being asked to trust a lot of unelected officials who've already shown very little concern about placing unprecedented limitations and restrictions on our personal liberties … and trust unreliable models that have drastically overstated deaths and (mostly) the demand on hospital facilities, the latter of which were relied upon as THE primary basis for shutting down large swathes of our economy. These folks may indeed be well-intentioned, but most are not losing their paychecks/benefits, and many do not know such folks in their oft-insulated lives. And it's easier when you don't have to see the results of your decisions first-hand.

    The more I think of it, the more I like the idea of incentivizing medical research in academia, and suspending the non-essential research funds. It's no different to the choices being imposed upon the private sector now. And hey - it doesn't mean research can't continue in non-essential areas, it just means those folks will need to self-fund and peddle the stuff on a take-out, no-touch, cash on the barrel proposition. I think the world can survive without the 897th variation of "Why Trees and Rocks Are Racists", even for a few weeks, while we deal with more pressing issues, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Boy is that going to be abused. Conservatives are going to see that and bellow "lift the mitigations now since it doesn't matter hurr!" when what it's saying is "don't lift the mitigations in 2 months; that still isn't long enough, stupid."

    How about don't lift the mitigations until everybody's been inoculated with vaccine? Like, don't open the air lock until everybody has their helmet on?
    Probably can ease (but not fully eliminate) closures before a vaccine.

    Should be possible with good testing and after we find some decent antiviral drug combos once infected numbers drop enough that it’s manageable with testing, contact tracing, and isolation of infected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    Brilliant. Throw in academia while we're at it. Their howls of anguish alone would be worth it.

    Incentivizing medical research for cures, suspending non-essential research sounds good too.
    What counts as non-essential research and who decided?

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    LOL! Babylon Bee? The Conservative Onion? Wait, YOU'RE being serious? From their own website:
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    I am all for you numbnuts campaigning on a cops and firefighters should get a pay cut platform! Start running ads pronto!
    My bad, I was under the impression that we were all in this together? That everyone just needs to stop and listen to the experts, ie being docile rules followers.

    My reasoning for the police, was that we were all staying at home (suburbs), the DA's (big cities) werent allowing them to enforce the minor laws (like B&E's, retail theft, stealing cars, etc) or arresting anyone (unless you paddleboard in Malibu), so a lot less work to do. Until, that is, those pesky non-violent inmates being released from the jails (so they can isolate and self-quarantine, wait, what??) break the Boston 9PM curfew, THEN we are going to get tough. Figured the pay cut would be better than the dreaded furlough.

    For the firefighters, we will actually revise that and give them the 10% Combat Pay raise. 85% of the work they do is ambulance related, so they are in Healthcare. Sweet, that is a nice bump for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    I saw that too. What the ****?
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    What counts as non-essential research and who decided?
    I honestly haven't the slightest, BA. The governors seem to be the ones making those decisions.

    I provided a playful (if exaggerated example) in a more recent post. But I'm confident there's no shortage of non-essential (non-medical) research awash out in academia these days. I mean, if people are being asked to avoid non-essential surgeries (Chris Sale and the Sox apparently didn't get the memo), what's the big deal asking some Yale gender studies prof to put zir side project on ice, and focus on indoctrinating educating zir students? Fair is fair, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    My bad, I was under the impression that we were all in this together? That everyone just needs to stop and listen to the experts, ie being docile rules followers.

    My reasoning for the police, was that we were all staying at home (suburbs), the DA's (big cities) werent allowing them to enforce the minor laws (like B&E's, retail theft, stealing cars, etc) or arresting anyone (unless you paddleboard in Malibu), so a lot less work to do. Until, that is, those pesky non-violent inmates being released from the jails (so they can isolate and self-quarantine, wait, what??) break the Boston 9PM curfew, THEN we are going to get tough. Figured the pay cut would be better than the dreaded furlough.

    For the firefighters, we will actually revise that and give them the 10% Combat Pay raise. 85% of the work they do is ambulance related, so they are in Healthcare. Sweet, that is a nice bump for them.
    Whalers, you do realize that the police force is responding to almost every 911 call about a possible Covid death that doesn't occur at a medical facility? On Monday, approximately 20% of New York's police force was out sick -- 6,974 officers to be exact -- mostly due to showing symptoms of Covid. Here's a link to the article: https://abc7ny.com/nypd-officer-dies...dates/6082130/

    You do realize almost all of the public workers you listed have literally been working 60-80 hour weeks since early March when most of the state and local governments realized the potential crisis this could/would become. Unlike the Idiot-in-Chief that currently resides in the White House who didn't truly take this seriously until March 23rd. Despite the fact he was first briefed on the virus and the possibility it could be pretty bad on JAN. 3RD!!!

    As for ensuring our kids and grand kids have the type of society waiting for them that we want, does that include ensuring we reinstate all of the regulations regarding protecting the environment that have been removed during this administration? Or, ensuring big business and corporations aren't doing sketchy things financially that might someday cause another major financial meltdown? Just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    My bad, I was under the impression that we were all in this together? That everyone just needs to stop and listen to the experts, ie being docile rules followers.
    It all depends on what your definition of "we" is, Whalers. "We" as in all of us … or "we" the chosen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whalers View Post
    My reasoning for the police, was that we were all staying at home (suburbs), the DA's (big cities) werent allowing them to enforce the minor laws (like B&E's, retail theft, stealing cars, etc) or arresting anyone (unless you paddleboard in Malibu), so a lot less work to do. Until, that is, those pesky non-violent inmates being released from the jails (so they can isolate and self-quarantine, wait, what??) break the Boston 9PM curfew, THEN we are going to get tough. Figured the pay cut would be better than the dreaded furlough.
    Interpretation: police officers in many big cities are being directed not to enforce huge chunks of the criminal code, but don't you DARE try to sneak into work and get caught in downtown at 9:01 p.m. (lucky me, I got out the other night by 8:45 p.m.). EMT's are getting most of the other calls. Whalers had advocated for Fire folks to get paid extra, like the medical workers. Simple, no?

    Also a bit confused, too … I thought police were a source of "systemic racism"? Now they're "essential"?!? Can you folks PLEASE make your minds up on this? All we ask for is clarity. Thanks.

    When does the next clever genius-in-residence ask the mods to move this into Club Hockey forum?!?

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