COVID-19 - Part 2

[Darius]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Chuck, I don't get this line of thinking from you. So the WHO sucks. BFD. That in no way is justification for President Trump sitting on his big fat azz for 6 weeks. I just posted how the ROK responded with the same information that was available to the US Government. One took action, one didn't. The WHO had no impact on either situation. The only impact they've had has been recent -- to provide content for right wing outrage in defense of what is indefensible.

The fact that I'll still be washing my ***** groceries in June instead of April is not impacted one bit by the morons at the WHO but is 100% correlated to the inaction of our federal government and its complete abdication of leadership.

Hillary. He forgot to mention Hillary.

[Darius]

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As soon as you said Tucker Carlson I quit reading. The guy is more a buffoon than the donald himself and he''d do anything for ratings.

Shhh... he thinks we read his entire posts...

...and click on his links.

[Whalers]

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Hillary. He forgot to mention Hillary.

How could we forget the senior senator from NEW YORK. Very pleased to see that She and Bill have really stepped up their game from the Chappaqua compound to assist the situation. After seeing Bill Gate's large donation to the Covid cause, here is a link to the story about H&B's $ 1,000,000 pledge for the safety and care of their fellow New Yorkers;

htp-

Happy to report that is only the PUBLIC side of the BIGGER story related to H&B. The might of the Clinton Global Initiative and it's multi-billion endowment is in overdrive because these esteemed individuals are clearly forward thinkers and visionaries. Back in NOVember, after seeing how poorly the US was currently preparing for such an event, the CGI pivoted their esteemed internal research labs away from other projects ** and became laser focused on thwarting the next global pandemic. Seems success in the early stage research miraculously occurred during the CGI related care of an attractive 16 year Wuhan female. In late December she had taken an all expenses paid trip from Wuhan aboard a private 727 jet to a small Caribbean island and then developed flu like symptoms. It was during this time that the attending physician to the teenage female vacationers on the island, Dr Ep something, was able to isolate the novel virus that we now know as Covid-19 and started to research ways to kill the evidence, er, virus. Tragically, as reported by an un-named member of the British Royal family also on the trip, she and the other vacationers did not recover from their plight and succumbed at Bentonville General Hospital before they could tell their covid stories, the connection to the breathing machines, with the TO NY Central Whse shipping labels, made conversation impossible.

The full story on this research and ALL the philanthropic undertakings of the Clinton Global Initiative can be found in these links.

htp-cmgi.com/Foxborostadium
htp-lycos.com/search

Hey, I just noticed none of the above links are httpS secure? That's strange, I thought that most high level servers were secure? Maybe CNN, 60 Minutes or one of those 17 inteliGenke aganices could look into this before Carlos Danger has a chance to see this data.

** Viagra++ EnergizerBunny formula, Arkanicide prevention kits (including breakaway ropes for the ones your truly love)

[SteveO]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 2.4 million to 21 million Americans will require hospitalization during the pandemic, and the experience in Italy has been that about 10 to 25% of hospitalized patients will require ventilation, in some cases for several weeks. I write this with fear and trembling, but another unprecedented crisis with the shortage of ventilators is looming large and we may soon be entering a Triage phase of this horrific pandemic.

Triage proceeds in three steps: application of exclusion criteria, such as irreversible shock; assessment of mortality risk using the Sequential Organ Failure Assessment (SOFA) score to determine priority for initiating ventilation; and repeat assessments over time, such that patients whose condition is NOT improving are removed from the ventilator to make it available for another patient.

It's been happening in Italy for weeks, but there's literally no script for this. Sadly, not only will many perish in horrific pain, but the inevitable repercussion for healthcare workers is moral injury or the trauma of violating your own conscience. Although this violation may be a utilitarian response for the common good, it does little to mitigate the guilt, self-reproach or spiritual crisis activated by healthcare workers who are forced to make the difficult choice to ration ventilators and allow unresponsive patients to die.

Spitting ventilators is simply not a fix because of the drop in pressure necessary to sustain patients’ when their breathing deteriorates from the virus. When the apparatus is removed from those who are ventilator dependent they usually die within minutes.

[NCAA watcher]

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One of the points made by the NYT Don McNeil is that because of isolating the virus' spread, a central government could do something like appropriating all of the ventilators and move them from state to state as the hotspots spread to a new place while subsiding from an existing one. So of the NY ventilators that will free up in a month can move to Minnesota as it starts to hit there.

That would require some sort of national management.

Also, it would help if the States were not bidding against themselves to buy machines, but rather were coordinated by a national agency.


Of course, McNeil and the NY Times are fake news and LameStream Media. They just repeated the Chinese talking points in early February that this was not a pandemic.

Nobody Saw This Coming

FEBRUARY 8, 2020 GLOBAL HEALTH
Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say
Rapidly rising caseloads alarm researchers, who fear the virus may make its way across the globe. But scientists cannot yet predict how many deaths may result.

By DONALD G. MCNEIL JR.


Feb. 2, 2020

W.H.O. Declares Global Emergency as Wuhan Coronavirus Spreads
The announcement came as nearly 10,000 cases have been reported worldwide.

By SUI-LEE WEE, DONALD G. MCNEIL JR. and JAVIER C. HERNÁNDEZ

[Darius]

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One of the points made by the NYT Don McNeil is that because of isolating the virus' spread, a central government could do something like appropriating all of the ventilators and move them from state to state as the hotspots spread to a new place while subsiding from an existing one. So of the NY ventilators that will free up in a month can move to Minnesota as it starts to hit there.

That would require some sort of national management.

Also, it would help if the States were not bidding against themselves to buy machines, but rather were coordinated by a national agency.

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 2.4 million to 21 million Americans will require hospitalization during the pandemic, and the experience in Italy has been that about 10 to 25% of hospitalized patients will require ventilation, in some cases for several weeks. I write this with fear and trembling, but another unprecedented crisis with the shortage of ventilators is looming large and we may soon be entering a Triage phase of this horrific pandemic.

Triage proceeds in three steps: application of exclusion criteria, such as irreversible shock; assessment of mortality risk using the Sequential Organ Failure Assessment (SOFA) score to determine priority for initiating ventilation; and repeat assessments over time, such that patients whose condition is NOT improving are removed from the ventilator to make it available for another patient.

It's been happening in Italy for weeks, but there's literally no script for this. Sadly, not only will many perish in horrific pain, but the inevitable repercussion for healthcare workers is moral injury or the trauma of violating your own conscience. Although this violation may be a utilitarian response for the common good, it does little to mitigate the guilt, self-reproach or spiritual crisis activated by healthcare workers who are forced to make the difficult choice to ration ventilators and allow unresponsive patients to die.

Spitting ventilators is simply not a fix because of the drop in pressure necessary to sustain patients’ when their breathing deteriorates from the virus. When the apparatus is removed from those who are ventilator dependent they usually die within minutes.

Fine examples of live in game analysis that in one week's time will be Monday morning quarterbacking.

[Darius]

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One of the points made by the NYT Don McNeil is that because of isolating the virus' spread, a central government could do something like appropriating all of the ventilators and move them from state to state as the hotspots spread to a new place while subsiding from an existing one. So of the NY ventilators that will free up in a month can move to Minnesota as it starts to hit there.

That would require some sort of national management.

Also, it would help if the States were not bidding against themselves to buy machines, but rather were coordinated by a national agency.


Of course, McNeil and the NY Times are fake news and LameStream Media. They just repeated the Chinese talking points in early February that this was not a pandemic.

Nobody Saw This Coming

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status...713342977?s=20

[Chuck Murray]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Time to work though this morning's fan mail ...

Yes, I'm also curious about the relevance of this new talking point that you have passed along here in the past few days. Are you contending that this prevented Trump/Fox/Townhall/Redstate from knowing better by March 10th when they were all bs-ing the base about this being just the flu? Do you question why you were misled, and does that make you wonder? Richard Burr knew this was coming in February by listening to the intelligence briefings.

Quick question for you, 'Watcher … based on your thorough review of such bastions of ace reporting and straight-down-the-middle editorial policy at the New York Times, Washington Post, The Atlantic, CNN and other supposedly exalted MSM outposts … did you find any reference to Diane Feinsten (D-CA) being on the same committee, getting the same info, and doing the same insider trading crap you (rightly) tagged Burr for? Or is this news to you now?

While not germane to much of anything other than for the pure hilarity of it, last evening President Trump, when incorrectly stating that the US has done "more tests by far than any country in the world," mentioned that Seoul has a population of 38 million when challenged by the PBS White House Correspondent.

The city of Seoul, South Korea, is 38m above sea level.

Did you know the answer in advance, TUPD? I didn't. Looked it up just now. South Korea at just over 50 million, Seoul at just under 12 million. Didn't hear how the question was phrased, but assuming the President isn't spending his time poring over the population data from foreign countries, I'm pretty sure this was a useless "gotcha" moment. Kind of like when President Obama couldn't name more than one (1) player on his supposedly favorite MLB team (CWS).

I'd love to see the source of your numbers on total tests administered by country, as of the last 24-48 hours. The CDC states as of noontime today (which I guess reflects close-of-business yesterday?) there were 163,539 total US cases, and 2,860 US deaths, for a 1.7% death ratio. They do not provide the total number of tests administered - or if they do, it's well-hidden. But last I heard, the rate of negative results as a proportion of total tests was in the 80-90% range. By extrapolation, that would mean the US has now tested somewhere in between 800,000 and 1.5 million people. Last data I saw last week, South Korea was around 350,000-400,000. If Trump isn't correct, I'd be surprised. But I've been surprised before, so if you've got the data, I promise to read it.

Of course, the giant asterisk in that whole issue is that China's testing would/should be "more by far" than any other country, except according to them (1) they've already solved their problem, (2) it didn't start there to begin with, (3) they don't give the slightest crap about individual citizens beyond the Politburo, and (4) "Hey, can you pass the delicious bat wing soup, comrade?"

As soon as you said Tucker Carlson I quit reading. The guy is more a buffoon than the donald himself and he''d do anything for ratings.

That's an enlightened position to take on the world outside your bubble. He's actually taken on those on his "home team" (Burr), just like the MSM has taken Feinstein to task for … oops, I guess not …

Shhh... he thinks we read his entire posts...

...and click on his links.

It's adorable how you think I'm writing this stuff for the sole benefit of the many dyed-in-the-wool lefties on here. There's a whole lot of folks in between "left" and "right", and based on recent polling numbers, your side ain't convincing them (Liberal solution - message isn't selling - get POTUS off TV - not even the slightest tinge of censorship there, no? ).

TDS may not be as virulent as COVID-19 has turned out to be so far, but it's apparently pretty tough to shake, and there's no vaccine available for it yet either. Your "vaccine" might be ready by early November, but the guy who's got the delegates to "administer" it seems to be quarantined, while struggling to string a cogent thought or two together. Good luck with that.

Be back later on to answer more fan mail.

[NCAA watcher]

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Quick question for you, 'Watcher … based on your thorough review of such bastions of ace reporting and straight-down-the-middle editorial policy at the New York Times, Washington Post, The Atlantic, CNN and other supposedly exalted MSM outposts … did you find any reference to Diane Feinsten (D-CA) being on the same committee, getting the same info, and doing the same insider trading crap you (rightly) tagged Burr for? Or is this news to you now?

Entre nous. Of course these newspapers have covered it. You would be amazed to learn that they report both the good and the bad news.
And I'm not partisan, so you pointing to Feinstein does not make me recoil. If she broke the law, then so be it. I understand that there are some facts that make her potentially different than the three republicans (Inofe, Loeffler and Burr) like she missed the meeting, and I thought I read that her husband was already in negotiations to sell the stock so it was a "one-off" and not a dumping, and also the stock actually went up in the post market. But those are facts to be sorted out, and again, I have no skin the game of defending them. You seem to want to play gotcha a lot -- when we point out a flaw in your tribe, you resort to "but the WHO, but China, but Feinstein..." I prefer to call them fairly.

So, I'm sure my questions to you will be part of your next mailbag.


And also answer the more pressing question: I was running to Rush, and came to two conclusions. First, many of my favorite guitar songs are actually driven by Geddy's bass. Red Barchetta. Is his playing superior to Lifeson, even though the bass is generally a stupid instrument.
Second, if you could trade a virus vaccine for developing the electric guitar, would you do it?

[Darius]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

177,452 infected, 3,440 dead = 1.94% Johns Hopkins data as of: 3/31/20 2:38:01 PM.

I didn't make notes at the time, but a few hours ago the rate was >2%. The hour to hour numbers tend to bounce around, but hopefully this is now the beginning of the anticipated decrease.

[Darius]

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It's adorable how you think...

So my thinking is adorable , but I am not ?

[Darius]

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... the President isn't spending his time poring over the population data from foreign countries...

But can he find them on a map?

[NCAA watcher]

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But can he find them on a map?

No, that's the job of the Pandemic response team.

[Darius]

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Of course these newspapers have covered it. You would be amazed to learn that they report both the good and the bad news.

Which is a big part of why they can charge $ for it.

[Jimjamesak]

Be back later on to answer more fan mail.

Be sure swallow all those talking points from Fox like a good boy.

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