COVID-19 - Part 2

[Wayuphere]

Just think of this as a test run for Global Warming crises in the coming years. Denial, rejection of science because it is a political agenda, arguments about costs, and finally, one group leading based on science.

Will we have examples of science giving us "false positives" of threats to which we overreact? Yes. But ignore science and consensus among experts at your (or actually, our collective) peril.

Good point.

[Darius]

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To say a good job was done with a projection of 240,000 deaths...this was so poorly managed from the get go. Really points out in a big way how much our health care systems are struggling...and despite the rosy forecasts ..the economy.

Anyone can do a search of how the U.S. fares with the rest of the developed world as far as the health of our citizens goes.

Major reforms need to happen. What's this I read that Trump blocked entrance into the health care portals? What plan does he have for health care hes had 3 years to come up with something??? It's a disgrace...greatest nation in the world and people STILL do not have health care. It's a right...not a priviledge.

Also his "we had nothing to work with" BS..well then why didnt you fix that when you took office. I mean really...*** has he actually done for this country???

If ever there was a time for Bernie's message to resonate to victory, this is it. Not advocating, just commenting that the Democratic machine is as entrenched in their sh*t as the Republican machine is entrenched in theirs.

[Jon]

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Why would they leave a city that finally brought them success after their pointless previous incarnation?

They wouldn't... unless the confluence of Chinese bioweapons, the passing of Neil Peart, and the officiating incompetence of Hockey East all combined to force them back into le Stade Olympique.

It's a dry run for getting the SMT's back to the Frozen Four.

[Darius]

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My take on HCQ is that both "sides" are right. If one of my loved ones was on the respirator path or worse, then why not give it a try? On the other hand, being healthy, moderately or even very sick, but not needing breathing support, I'd pass. No sense in risking side effects.

[HockeyRef]

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If ever there was a time for Bernie's message to resonate to victory, this is it. Not advocating, just commenting that the Democratic machine is entrenched in their sh*t as the Republican machine is entrenched in theirs.

Could not agree more Darius...could not agree more....

[Darius]

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Yesterday's WH briefing was probably the longest one yet. Shame on CNN for not showing the President speaking. Shame. They cut in when Dr. Birx began her brilliant presentation. Visual aids drove her point home. Dr. Fauci was also excellent. If the president could parse their words and speak them as if he believed them, he would have a speech that is discussed along with the greatest in Presidential history.

President Trump simply can't help himself from speaking petty, childish words that make me cringe, but yesterday he spoke from the heart more than ever before. He has internalized the crisis, for now anyway. He may think and be correct that he can come out of this a hero in the eyes of a large majority of Americans.

VP Pence now has a "30 Days To Slow The Spread" prop. LOL.

1.1 million tests completed vs. 26 million promised.

Jim Acosta may not be a d1ckh3ad, but he sure plays one on TV.

[Darius]

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Probably too soon to be commenting on this, but reports (yes, they are from sources like the Washington Post) are starting to surface that red states like FL, KY, OK are receiving 100%+ of requested supplies while IL, MA, ME are receiving a fraction of what they request. There (((should))) be police escorted convoys moving supplies from less infected to more infected states and then back as/when needed.

If this is true, I will never have a good word or thought for the President again. Ever.

[aparch]

Probably too soon to be commenting on this, but reports (yes, they are from sources like the Washington Post) are starting to surface that red states like FL, KY, OK are receiving 100%+ of requested supplies while IL, MA, ME are receiving a fraction of what they request. There (((should))) be police escorted convoys moving supplies from less infected to more infected states and then back as/when needed.

If this is true, I will never have a good word or thought for the President again. Ever.

For Illinois, Governor Pritzker has stated that on top of the reduced number of masks received (asked for one million, received 300,000), the Federal Governement sent surgical masks and not the N95 masks requested.

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Interesting article on the deep dive researchers have done in studying the current COVID case data not only from China but from 37 other countries

https://www.livescience.com/death-ra...estimates.html

If you go to the link on the Lancet case study, the "Discussion" portion of the article is well worth a read, as is the entire summary.

[Chuck Murray]

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Time for an extended run-through of yesterday's fan mail, which was a decidedly mixed bag ...

Entre nous. Of course these newspapers have covered it. You would be amazed to learn that they report both the good and the bad news.

And I'm not partisan, so you pointing to Feinstein does not make me recoil. If she broke the law, then so be it. I understand that there are some facts that make her potentially different than the three republicans (Inofe, Loeffler and Burr) like she missed the meeting, and I thought I read that her husband was already in negotiations to sell the stock so it was a "one-off" and not a dumping, and also the stock actually went up in the post market. But those are facts to be sorted out, and again, I have no skin the game of defending them. You seem to want to play gotcha a lot -- when we point out a flaw in your tribe, you resort to "but the WHO, but China, but Feinstein..." I prefer to call them fairly.

You would probably be surprised to learn that one of my HS social studies/current events teachers - who doubled as the head hockey coach back in the mid-'70's - made us all subscribe to the Times for a year as part of the curriculum. I ended up taking a second year with the same teacher, next level, because it opened my mind to a lot of new things and ideas. The one thing I'll always remember from my teacher was that he pointed out the difference between the News and Editorial sides of their operation, and how their editor (Rosenthal at the time?) made sure that News didn't let Editorial seep into their reporting.

It's been a LONG time since Rosenthal left the editor's desk, and it's been a LONG time since the Times enforced his separation of News and Editorial. And with widely publicized instances where News has ******ed about how headlines were too kind to the President for their liking - and gotten their way - the current Times sadly bears no resemblance to past editions. And when you haven't backed a GOP presidential candidate for going on 68 years (presuming Biden will get their nod this time) you kind of give up any pretense of objectivity, don't you?

I've actually given a lot of thought on our disconnect on the "blame pie" thing, 'Watcher. I have a rough example in mind, but I'll hold off on adding it here, as this is already going to be a long enough post ...

And also answer the more pressing question: I was running to Rush, and came to two conclusions. First, many of my favorite guitar songs are actually driven by Geddy's bass. Red Barchetta. Is his playing superior to Lifeson, even though the bass is generally a stupid instrument.
Second, if you could trade a virus vaccine for developing the electric guitar, would you do it?

HUGE fan of Geddy's bass runs. I figure when playing Rush while driving, it's an even split between air drums and air bass, with maybe a 10% share for Lifeson's lead guitar (probably more "Snow Dog" on the older stuff). As to the second part … there's not nearly enough electric guitar in music these days, I don't see a comeback in my (our?) lifetime, so yeah, I make that trade only because I'm giving up on something that's not really around in a major way these days.

Now onto Pony Boy who coughs up this furry little hairball ...

Be sure swallow all those talking points from Fox like a good boy.

My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Pinkie Pie GIF from Mylittleponyfriendshipismagic GIFs

So because of your insightful post, I went to check out what Rachel Maddow had to say about the fine job WHO is doing on our behalf, so I'll share the link with you below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1a4Pq5GQBc

Now we get to talk numbers with TUPD who tried to ridicule the President for a supposedly incorrect assertion about the total number of tests administered by the US ...

So all that matters is whether or not President Trump can be proven correct today despite the fact that he screwed us six weeks ago. There is no doubt in my mind that at some point the United States of America will test more than the ROK. But that's due solely to sheer volume. Had President Trump tested...what is your number...800k...in freakin' February then Hail to the Chief and thump your chest. So yea us that we finally tested more people than ROK. I'll still be washing my f*c*ing groceries in June. And who gives a ***** about China.

Folks, there is more involved in protecting the American way of life than simply fielding an army. And that's where President Trump failed all of us. Miserably.

I notice you didn't provide me the data for total tests, even when I said you could sway me with it. Interestingly, during yesterday's briefing, the total number of US tests was disclosed at roughly 1.1 million - right in between my projection of 800K-1.5 million. And increasing by 100K per day, so it was probably "only" 1.0 million when you said he was "incorrect".

And as far as supposed delays by Trump's team … listening to Drs. Fauci and Birx yesterday, they were asked that question in several forms by Jim Acosta, and they're not buying your pitch. Those are the experts, as we were told by you folks, back when you guys dreamed up your little fantasy about how Dr. Fauci was secretly against "Bad Orange Man". It's only a matter of time before you guys decide they're racists now. That's usually how you guys roll, right?

Finally, on to the "star of the show" from the wilds of Indiana, by way of Wisconsin and Providence ...

Instead of criticizing Chuck's politics - which would be more fun for me if social media didn't exist - can you all not see that this is part of WIS' master plan of bringing Les Expos back to Montreal? It's all falling into place...

Busted dammit

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Yesterday's WH briefing was probably the longest one yet. Shame on CNN for not showing the President speaking. Shame. They cut in when Dr. Birx began her brilliant presentation. Visual aids drove her point home. Dr. Fauci was also excellent. If the president could parse their words and speak them as if he believed them, he would have a speech that is discussed along with the greatest in Presidential history.

President Trump simply can't help himself from speaking petty, childish words that make me cringe, but yesterday he spoke from the heart more than ever before. He has internalized the crisis, for now anyway. He may think and be correct that he can come out of this a hero in the eyes of a large majority of Americans.

VP Pence now has a "30 Days To Slow The Spread" prop. LOL.

1.1 million tests completed vs. 26 million promised.

Jim Acosta may not be a d1ckh3ad, but he sure plays one on TV.

When faced with the facts that many Americans will die, I would HOPE he could show some empathy.... What did he think would happen here? Did he not see the suffering in Wuhan and Italy? Anyway, it doesn't do any good to go over any of this at this late date in all of this...let history judge when it's all said and done. Hero? That's a **** tall order. The heroes are the people who are out there working in the midst of this virus; the health care workers, those still working at the super markets, etc. Honestly...there's nothing heroic he has done to date. He golfed and held rallies while this virus was taking hold of HIS country. Sorry; I just can't go there. But many will see him in that light and that's there thing. Oh, and the governors (maybe not DeSantis as he's done a TERRIBLE job in Fla IMHO) who really get it about this? They are on my hero list....regardless of their political affiliation. They are thinking FIRST about their constituents...not ratings, ugh!!

You hit the nail on the head and I've said this many times to my husband who supports him...if he could just stay on topic, drop the petty stuff, I'd have some respect for him. I don't need Mr. Rogers (although how cool would that be) to be the President...but his track record of putting himself and his family first is just too lengthy for me to really give him much of a break. But so what, who cares what I think anyway lol.

[Darius]

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And as far as supposed delays by Trump's team … listening to Drs. Fauci and Birx yesterday, they were asked that question in several forms by Jim Acosta, and they're not buying your pitch. Those are the experts, as we were told by you folks, back when you guys dreamed up your little fantasy about how Dr. Fauci was secretly against "Bad Orange Man". It's only a matter of time before you guys decide they're racists now. That's usually how you guys roll, right?

They, as always, stick to the current data and facts. Can't predict the future, the data we have is the data we have. No sense or benefit to revisiting the past.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

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I notice you didn't provide me the data for total tests, even when I said you could sway me with it. Interestingly, during yesterday's briefing, the total number of US tests was disclosed at roughly 1.1 million - right in between my projection of 800K-1.5 million. And increasing by 100K per day, so it was probably "only" 1.0 million when you said he was "incorrect".

we have done more tests by far than any country in the world. President Trump on Monday, March 30

I throw the b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t flag on this. We have NOT done "more tests by far than any other country." I agree we have done more tests, but THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR PRESIDENT IS LEADING US TO BELIEVE. We didn't even pass ROK until 3/24. And since ROK has this under control their need for testing has decreased. And even today we're only 2x Italy in tests. And 2x is not anything to write home about when you look at total tests/million people which is actually the point of all of this, right Chuck?

Stop trying to defend the indefensible and start holding your government accountable.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

[LTsatch]

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I throw the b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t flag on this. We have NOT done "more tests by far than any other country." I agree we have done more tests, but THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR PRESIDENT IS LEADING US TO BELIEVE. We didn't even pass ROK until 3/24. And since ROK has this under control their need for testing has decreased. And even today we're only 2x Italy in tests. And 2x is not anything to write home about when you look at total tests/million people which is actually the point of all of this, right Chuck?

Stop trying to defend the indefensible and start holding your government accountable.

www.ourworldindata.orb/covid-testing

Bad link

[Darius]

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More AND better. Please pay attention?