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  • #76
    Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

    Trumpettes consider it the cost of doing business. What’s a few dead grannies when we can have our economic stability is their thinking. Let’s kill them off now so we can have our normal life back they say. The cure is worse then the disease. Really? That is sick. Freakin sick.
    Ironically if they hadn’t had their heads up their rear ends at the beginning, like their dear leader, we would have a much better handle on who and where this virus is and what areas need a shut down. But Fox News says......

    The freak Lt gov from Texas should just get it over with if he wants to meet his maker.......and after another sick Twitter from el dumbo in chief regarding Romney’s negative test, take the orangutan with you. Though, the orange man child’s heaven is not one I want to end up in.
    $90(more) for a drink holding ledge and a Maine blanket, but the views still great.
    Just win.....

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
      The TX lieutenant governor was speaking for himself, and many older constituents he's spoken with. I'm not his constituent, but my feelings are similar, as I've said on here several times before. Amazing just to see what he's said completely exaggerated and bent out of context. Best to view the source itself. Here's a link to exactly what Lt. Gov. Patrick said to Tucker Carlson on Monday night:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIz4y7ni_Go

      For what it's worth, the US fatalities per diagnosed case ratio is trending down closer to 1%, or pretty much in line with the much vaunted South Korean rate.
      Whatever. I have heard his comments. If older people feel like they are ok with putting their lives at risk so that the economy survives...knock yourselves right out. I for one..want to live.
      Here we go 'Cats!!

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      • #78
        Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

        Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
        He ended up ingesting chloroquine phosphate, in this instance being used as an aquarium cleaner.
        Understood. He was a moron. Now he is a dead moron. How many moron's are there in the US? Testing is just beginning so the number is expected to rise exponentially.

        Some governments (glyphosate, internet privacy) still protect their citizens as ours (DDT, clean water, clean air) once did. The idea is that individuals can't be expected to research and understand everything that might harm them or society.
        I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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        • #79
          Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

          Guys, be aware that whether or not we decide to kill the old people, there is not much we can gain economically. Abandoning virus suppression may very well cause a deeper economic depression than stopping the spread now.
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          • #80
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            Originally posted by LTsatch View Post
            I am a 60 year old who has lead a very fulfilled life and am self distancing from my children who are NYC commuters. I am a thankfully retired Fire Chief after 32 years. Grandkids are not on the table yet. Unfortunately, I think we live in different worlds both risk wise and politically. I presume you are from New Hampshire and it is not comparable to the NYC area in terms of risk right now. I find that your political blinders and location have left you desensitized to how serious this situation has become. You have a Governor two States away begging the feds for respirators to assist his folks while others like yourself are saying that we should be pretty good in a couple of weeks. I do my best to go about my business down here and to make sure my loved ones are safe. I just find that folks like the LG in Texas and yourself really need to understand that this is a very serious life and death situation and not some political game of chicken. Unless Cuomo declares, I don’t think you have to worry about Trump being re-elected. As things worsen down here I will step aside from this debate and concentrate on what matters most to me. Stay safe.
            OK fair answer, although you're still making some assumptions in there. I have several co-workers and friends who live within a 20 mile radius of Manhattan, and one of them tells me they're literally living in the original containment area in New Rochelle. I can't speak for LG Patrick's connections in the area, but I can assure you I understand something pretty grave is going on in and around NYC. I've mentioned it a few times on this thread (or its predecessor). No one is discounting the gravity of that situation.

            Of course you are correct, up here in NH it is very different than it is now in NYC. You could fill in virtually every location in the US in place of "NH" in that last sentence, and it would still hold true. Does that mean every last nook and cranny of the country has to take identical measures as the folks in NYC/NJ/Gold Coast CT, or in Washington State, or parts of California? Respectfully, after the current 15 day period lapses, I think that discussion comes to the forefront. Some of is have been anticipating it on the previous thread, and frankly it's why I was hoping we could continue this into Part 2 (and thanks to all for coming along - regardless if we agree or disagree).

            Where we are in NH is maybe 40-45 minutes away from Manchester, and about an hour from Boston. It's very rural, but we're hardly a long way from urban centers. We're (unfortunately) quite familiar with extended periods of inconvenience and stress, as several severe ice storms that swept through our area about a decade or so - give or take - left us "off the grid" for periods up to several weeks. (side note - that's mysteriously changed in Effingwoods, since we now have the Governor and a US Senator living fairly close by … but that's another story). I'm not comparing the impact of those situations to the current situation in NYC. The difference in scale is as obvious as it can be. But as far as isolation and desperation are concerned … been there, done that a few times, and it's not a lot of fun. And we're not of the means to have a lake home, beach home or ski chalet. So yeah, I get it.

            I'll wrap up with a brief mention of the public sector v. private sector observation I've made on here and elsewhere previously. Using your word, I suspect some (many?) in the public sector are "desensitized" to the severity of the situation for folks who are (especially) in the small business portion of the private sector. We have two adult children, one in each camp. Our teacher has been relatively unaffected, other than to switch from classroom settings to virtual education. That job is not threatened, career should be fully intact (already tenured at HS level), and future looks the same now as it did a month ago. Our other is hustling 24/7 to keep a thriving small business afloat, as are countless millions of similar folks across the US. Those are two very different lives right now, and we (Mom and Dad) are seeing it up close and personal. Their parents are more concerned about what's going on with the latter. It's not that we're picking favorites. It's a simple recognition that situations can be very different. That's all.

            I'll check in later, but for now … it's time to make the donuts …

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            • #81
              Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

              Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post
              Whatever. I have heard his comments. If older people feel like they are ok with putting their lives at risk so that the economy survives...knock yourselves right out. I for one..want to live.
              So you're good with letting the economy disintegrate then, HR? No social security, no pension, no health care, martial law, etc.? Older folks like us having to leave homes we cherish to move back in with extended families, basic social services lost or greatly curtailed? Those are paid for by taxes … and who pays those taxes if people aren't working? Socialism instead of democracy??

              EVERYTHING is at risk if the economy tanks. We're not talking 2008 here; we'd be talking 1929, or worse.

              We ALL want to live. No one wants to "kill old people". That's irresponsible media-driven hysteria.

              FWIW some of us may be less interested in mere existence where our freedoms no longer exist.

              Not picking on you HR, lots of folks seem to share your sentiment.

              Just seems to me there's a lot of things being taken for granted ...
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              • #82
                Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                So you're good with letting the economy disintegrate then, HR? No social security, no pension, no health care, martial law, etc.? Older folks like us having to leave homes we cherish to move back in with extended families, basic social services lost or greatly curtailed? Those are paid for by taxes … and who pays those taxes if people aren't working? Socialism instead of democracy??

                EVERYTHING is at risk if the economy tanks. We're not talking 2008 here; we'd be talking 1929, or worse.

                We ALL want to live. No one wants to "kill old people". That's irresponsible media-driven hysteria.

                FWIW some of us may be less interested in mere existence where our freedoms no longer exist.

                Not picking on you HR, lots of folks seem to share your sentiment.

                Just seems to me there's a lot of things being taken for granted ...
                The economy is not disintegrating chuck. THAT is media hype and fake news. Will there be less, sure, will there be lower employment etc. sure, but disintegrate, no way.
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                • #83
                  Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                  We were able to give the wealthiest tax break after tax break. We were able to bail out Wall Street, banks, allow corporations to pay virtually nothing in taxes. The economy will disintegrate but we have $6T to throw around to boost it back up. Funny we never had that for infrastructure, health care, education...

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                  • #84
                    Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                    So you're good with letting the economy disintegrate then, HR? No social security, no pension, no health care, martial law, etc.? Older folks like us having to leave homes we cherish to move back in with extended families, basic social services lost or greatly curtailed? Those are paid for by taxes … and who pays those taxes if people aren't working? Socialism instead of democracy??

                    EVERYTHING is at risk if the economy tanks. We're not talking 2008 here; we'd be talking 1929, or worse.
                    You have no factual evidence of this. Z.E.R.O. The statements you've been making for the past few days are based solely on your personal feelings. Do you have any hard economic data to back any of this up? And "Gee, what else could you morons possibly conclude?" is not factual economic data which is the only thing you've brought to the table so far.

                    I'll hang up and listen for your answer.

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                    • #85
                      Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                      We were able to give the wealthiest tax break after tax break. We were able to bail out Wall Street, banks, allow corporations to pay virtually nothing in taxes. The economy will disintegrate but we have $6T to throw around to boost it back up. Funny we never had that for infrastructure, health care, education...
                      +1

                      We all knew we were spending the rainy day "fund" (actually already a deficit) when we front loaded monies to the rich, on the bogus assumption we would grow the economy at 3% for the next ten years, when it would pay for itself. That maxing out of the credit card kind of blocks any arguments about the havoc of another trillion. Remember the hue and cry from the right about debt caused by the Obama bailout in 2008 (that actually did pay for itself)? They sure were fine with the bogus projections that, if not hit, would blow a hole in the National Debt.

                      The reason you keep a rainy day fund is because occasionally it actually rains. Just leaving another hole for the Democrats to fix when they take over.


                      (I hear Susan Collins is deeply troubled by the forecast of rain)

                      A.The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act cut taxes substantially from 2018 through 2025. The resulting deficits will add $1 to $2 trillion to the federal debt, according to official estimates. The debt increase will be larger if some of TCJA’s temporary tax cuts are extended.
                      https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...budget-outlook

                      So, basically the cost of this bailout.
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                      • #86
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                        Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                        So you're good with letting the economy disintegrate then, HR? No social security, no pension, no health care, martial law, etc.? Older folks like us having to leave homes we cherish to move back in with extended families, basic social services lost or greatly curtailed? Those are paid for by taxes … and who pays those taxes if people aren't working? Socialism instead of democracy??

                        EVERYTHING is at risk if the economy tanks. We're not talking 2008 here; we'd be talking 1929, or worse.

                        We ALL want to live. No one wants to "kill old people". That's irresponsible media-driven hysteria.

                        FWIW some of us may be less interested in mere existence where our freedoms no longer exist.

                        Not picking on you HR, lots of folks seem to share your sentiment.

                        Just seems to me there's a lot of things being taken for granted ...
                        Oh, come on, who's being an alarmist NOW Chuck? Of course I do not want to see the economy disintegrate. Give me a break. Like I said, I know I'm fortunate (and my husband) to be in jobs that are paying us our salary. It makes me very sad that small business and others stuck in this nightmare are struggling. But in this country, seems like the rich get their bailout, are supposed to be infusing the economy, what do they do? Stock buy backs. Good old Reagan economics that didn't work then, and it doesn't work now. (but that's another thread) And they are about to get another one in the stimulus package. Funny they have enough money for this but, as others have pointed out below of this post, there's not enough out there for other badly needed things? Etc. But everyday people like myself are not helping the situation by wanting to save our lives and the lives our loved ones are taking things for granted?

                        Right now the country is desperate for some real action by the President...that's what 'lots of folks' want to see. When I see the President saying 'we'll work with you but you have to be nice to us" I mean, WTAF. Always a condition with him...always. ME FIRST. NYC needed those ventilators yesterday. Cuomo wants and needs the President to release the DPA NOW...this would be over alot quicker and we could all get back to work. Why isn't that happening???? Trump sounds like the mayor in the movie "Jaws" (Amity is open for business folks, but, ignore the great white shark that's lurking not more than 10 feet from where you swim) only, this is for real. Maybe when it touches someone he cares about...

                        As per killing old people, that's just what is going to happen if we 'open up the country' if it's not safe to do so. And heck, not only them; I'm reading story after story about younger people getting this and hanging onto life. The virus doesn't really give a darn about where you live. If you have paid attention to any of the science on this, what's not an issue today, can be an issue tomorrow. I realize the President will make his decisions (hopefully) by the guidance of his medical advisors (who, should only be making these decisions I don't care who the President is). I suppose you think Andrew Cuomo is being an alarmist....

                        Look, I could get killed today in my car. I could die alot of other ways than this virus. But, I'm not going to take for granted the only thing I really have control over, and that's my health and the health of my family. If that's not the priority right now, I do not know what the he** is!!
                        Last edited by HockeyRef; 03-25-2020, 09:52 AM.
                        Here we go 'Cats!!

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                        • #87
                          Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                          We were able to give the wealthiest tax break after tax break. We were able to bail out Wall Street, banks, allow corporations to pay virtually nothing in taxes. The economy will disintegrate but we have $6T to throw around to boost it back up. Funny we never had that for infrastructure, health care, education...
                          +1
                          Here we go 'Cats!!

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                          • #88
                            Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                            Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                            So you're good with letting the economy disintegrate then, HR? No social security, no pension, no health care, martial law, etc.? Older folks like us having to leave homes we cherish to move back in with extended families, basic social services lost or greatly curtailed? Those are paid for by taxes … and who pays those taxes if people aren't working? Socialism instead of democracy??

                            EVERYTHING is at risk if the economy tanks. We're not talking 2008 here; we'd be talking 1929, or worse.

                            We ALL want to live. No one wants to "kill old people". That's irresponsible media-driven hysteria.

                            FWIW some of us may be less interested in mere existence where our freedoms no longer exist.

                            Not picking on you HR, lots of folks seem to share your sentiment.

                            Just seems to me there's a lot of things being taken for granted ...
                            Seems extreme.
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                            • #89
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                              OK, not too hard to follow … right now, the package that has been passed covers things for a few weeks. Some on here want this to shut down for months, maybe even a year. But let's focus on "months". That package that just got passed, it's not going to last to cover for months. There would need to be more similar packages. $2T becomes $4T, becomes maybe $10T. The Treasury has to print money. Inflation - something that's been in check for a generation or more - creeps (maybe bursts) into the picture. Money is devalued, and retirement plans/pensions deflate. This is why the markets were down almost 40% at their nadir the other day.

                              I hope most of you will notice my main concern is with small businesses here - Main Street USA, the ones who provide the jobs, and which make our economy stronger than (say) France. Middle class business. Hey, I'm fortunate, I work for a global company and we're fully open and operational. My employment situation is probably closer to many of the public sector folks on here now (and let's be honest - USCHO caters to college hockey, a lot of folks on here are tied to colleges, there is an inherent slant towards academia, so I'm not exactly the "home team" coming on here with my viewpoint and opinions, I get it), but that could change if things linger and get bad enough. Just as it could for teachers and firemen and law enforcement, etc. if the tax base erodes. If you think otherwise, hey, maybe you're a little too comfortable in your own situations. But if it all goes down, there aren't any guarantees. None. Some folks react by buying too much TP. Other folks react by buying guns and ammo. It's real.

                              If we're talking blame and Presidents … there's been a LONG line of them, and a LONGER line of reps and senators who've kicked the can down the road for decades now. Both sides of the aisle. We're doing it again, right now. At some point - and increasingly likely that could be in most of our lifetimes (including mine) - it ends up going a step too far. And it gets painful, for everyone.

                              The only thing that keeps the country grinding forward is the economy.

                              And the only thing that keeps the economy going forward is work.

                              Again, I didn't think it was all that complicated ...
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                              • #90
                                Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

                                Given the revved up partisanship on here this morning, I figured I'll share this bit, where President Dr. Fauci gives an interview (it's linked at the base of the item) pleading with the media to stop trying to drive a false narrative pitting him against the President. This is not unlike discussions several of us have had earlier in this thread, and in the past thread ...

                                https://townhall.com/columnists/larr...recip=27247798

                                "It seems like increasingly a bunch of the questions from the media are designed to create a rift between you and the president of the United States," asked co-host Vince Coglianese, "are you sensing that as the media continually asks you questions about the differences you have with him?"

                                "That is really unfortunate. I would wish that that would stop because we have a much bigger problem here than trying to point out differences," Fauci said. "There really, fundamentally at the core when you look at things, there are not differences. The president has listened to what I have said and what the other people on the task force have said. When I've made recommendations, he has taken them. He has never countered or overridden me. The idea of pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing."

                                In the same interview, Fauci noted that his responsibility is to solely focus on defeating the disease while the president has a larger responsibility. "The president has the awesome responsibility of considering every aspect of this," he said. "I just give public health advice completely clean, unconnected with anything else. He has to factor in other things."
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